Thanatos
TD Member
There still is kind of a pay wall, while you can play without putting down any money you can't get any drops. You need to purchase Operation Breakout in order to get Breakout cases/missions/skins.
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There still is kind of a pay wall, while you can play without putting down any money you can't get any drops. You need to purchase Operation Breakout in order to get Breakout cases/missions/skins.
MetalLobster
TD Admin
Once he releases this map on Workshop, we can add it to our servers. The operations are for MM and Casual.
everyth1ng
DARKLY Regular
The people at Valve clearly think that these Operations are a good way to help the community thrive, and it would be hard to argue against this idea.
MetalLobster
TD Admin
I would like to believe that, however Valve is a business and like any business, their number one priority is making money and sweet baby Jesus does Valve know how to make money. Don't believe me? Look at TF fucking 2 and DOTA. Valve has done great in terms of catering to the CS:GO community, however the cyclic nature of cases and operations is reminiscent of COD and MtG, games that rely on short release cycles to keep money going their way. Valve most certainly doesn't need to force fees for operation and keys for cases to make ends meet because they have a huge chunk of the digital distribution market, but between A) leaving things the way they are, and B) cover server upkeep, "foster the community", and potentially make more money, the choice seems clear.
everyth1ng
DARKLY Regular
Well, this isn't an either or thing. They're trying to help the community to thrive...to make money, right?
amanshotme
TD Member
I would really like to see FMPONE's de_season, that map looks so clean . +1 for de_toscan too. Have only been able to play de_toscan on pugs/10 mans and would really like to MM on it.
de_facade looks good, but not too crazy bout it myself.
In regards to Operation Breakout, can't really comment on the competitiveness of the maps but de_blackgold and de_overgrown were really fun to play on with some of the regs. I even enjoyed cs_insertion though the massive framerate drops I got were horrendous lol
MetalLobster
TD Admin
No, revenue and potentially profit. If their number one goal was to help the community thrive, then they are doing a sub-par job because putting a price on maps alienates those who cannot afford it or don't have the ability to pay for it. Some see it as a step backwards, as CS was build upon community-made maps.
You can make the argument that what they've done so far is a compromise between helping the community and profit, but I'm a bit too cynical to buy that.
MetalLobster
TD Admin
I think Valve needs to can their map makers and hire FMPONE.
amanshotme
TD Member
FMPONE and Volcano if he can pry himself away from ESEA
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
I still don't get it. People are paying real money to play maps that are just re-skins of existing maps - that have been out for over a decade - that could easily be played on our own server. Oh, and you get more custom kiddie skins.
And I read here some people would gladly pay for it? Am I the only one who thinks this is fucking ludicrous?
And I read here some people would gladly pay for it? Am I the only one who thinks this is fucking ludicrous?
MetalLobster
TD Admin
That's basically it. I mean, look at TF2 and hats, or LoL and skins. Demand = skins, Supply = Valve who make skins. Supplier satisfies demand equals
Hinouchi
TD Admin
You pay to play ranked match 5 v 5, You can play on valve hosted server too. You get the operation case drops. Ludicrous? not really, if you play enough, the case drop will pay for itself overtime, you actually MAKE money from those case drop.
Nope.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Some of you are brainwashed, straight up. You've 'lost the war', holy fuck...
Hinouchi
TD Admin
Dude this breakout operation, I made about $30-40 in my steam wallet, by just selling the case and shit. I pay $5.99 for the operation. So ... yea ...
MetalLobster
TD Admin
Welcome to the DLC era.
everyth1ng
DARKLY Regular
The Operation pass definitely does pay for itself. I don't know if I agree with everything that's been said since my last post, though. I might get to that later.
In my opinion, CS was built mostly on maps that were both fun to play and competitively viable. I don't buy the argument that maps should be given the time of day because they're 'fun', at least for something like this. There are plenty of maps on the workshop that are fun to play, aesthetically pleasing, and competitively viable (or at least more competitively viable than the Operation Breakout maps). Some of the Operation Breakout maps aren't horrible, but I get the distinct impression that the people at Valve gave way too much weight to the aesthetics and fun.
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zackychuu
TD Admin / Wanker
There is also the fact that the operation cases sell for a lot more than regular cases.
I had around £6 on my steam account before i bought the operation breakout pass.
But now after selling god knows how many Breakout cases over time I have £12 on there.
Thats why I bought it personally, but the coin also tracks your comp games during the operation, how many 3, 4, and 5k rounds you get etc etc