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B.From.Acc
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wow! i missed out!! i realize already that i'm going to continue to hi-jack omission's thread. and i'm sorry to hear about your situation hogg. really, that blows.
this is great. i love TD. and like i've said before, these are things worth talking about. i'm going to state my opinions because that i can, thats part of what a forum is for. what i say, is in the end, coming from one point of view that i believe is the truth. i am a christian too. some might call cancer a bad thing because it kills a human being. but an argument could be made that the doctor is bad, because he kills cancer. point of view.
look how one comment can blow up. a subject like this strikes a chord in everyone; either negative or positive, something is disturbed. when someone says the name of a religious leader, or names a religion, the dynamics of the conversation/situation change drastically. i think that in itself is something. this is something big, involving the whole universe. if the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning, like if there was no light in the universe and because of this no creatures with eyes, we should have never known that it was dark out. dark would be a word without meaning.
one of the biggest arguments that people have against god is, how can this world be so cruel and unjust. but how do we have this idea of just and unjust? a man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. what are we comparing this universe with when we call it unjust? atheism in itself is to simple.
we are all very close in what our point of views are. closer than we think. the biggest division though, is if you believe in God or gods, or not. and christianity lines up with the majority on this point.
[quote1259882781=TurboTaco]
I find a majority of ALL religious people (save for a very few pious and truly faithful individuals in their religions) are luke-warm religious practitioners.
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And one more quip against you Foxx, and I mean this: Christiniaty is again, By NO MEANS (I stress this), any better than ANY religion out there.
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turbo taco and BJ are right, and cock has very credible motives for his feelings. this is exactly why people are turned off to 'religion'. its because people are people, they think they are better off, its helps create their sense of security, by belittling others opinions, treating their own as higher or more correct than another person's belief.
and also because people are luke-warm, people will then view it as fake, its what you want it to be. but thats not what christianity is about, this is what people have made it. christianity had to be intense for it to last this long, for example god outright kills people for lying to Him, this had to be done in order for people of that day to realize that this was something real. but then this all comes down to if you believe in the bible or not. i'm not trying to pump it down your throat, i'm just trying to state its case.
if you are a christian you do not have to believe that all the other religions are simply wrong all through. if you are an atheist you do not have to believe that the main point in all the religions of the whole world is simply one huge mistake. if you are a christian, you are free to think that all those religions, even the weirdest ones, contain at least some hint of the truth. and in this case, i take christianity's side, so in my opinion, as in math, there is only one right answer, and all other answers are wrong, but some of the wrong answers are much nearer to being right than others.
blah..
this is great. i love TD. and like i've said before, these are things worth talking about. i'm going to state my opinions because that i can, thats part of what a forum is for. what i say, is in the end, coming from one point of view that i believe is the truth. i am a christian too. some might call cancer a bad thing because it kills a human being. but an argument could be made that the doctor is bad, because he kills cancer. point of view.
look how one comment can blow up. a subject like this strikes a chord in everyone; either negative or positive, something is disturbed. when someone says the name of a religious leader, or names a religion, the dynamics of the conversation/situation change drastically. i think that in itself is something. this is something big, involving the whole universe. if the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning, like if there was no light in the universe and because of this no creatures with eyes, we should have never known that it was dark out. dark would be a word without meaning.
one of the biggest arguments that people have against god is, how can this world be so cruel and unjust. but how do we have this idea of just and unjust? a man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. what are we comparing this universe with when we call it unjust? atheism in itself is to simple.
we are all very close in what our point of views are. closer than we think. the biggest division though, is if you believe in God or gods, or not. and christianity lines up with the majority on this point.
[quote1259882781=TurboTaco]
I find a majority of ALL religious people (save for a very few pious and truly faithful individuals in their religions) are luke-warm religious practitioners.
............
And one more quip against you Foxx, and I mean this: Christiniaty is again, By NO MEANS (I stress this), any better than ANY religion out there.
[/quote1259882781]
turbo taco and BJ are right, and cock has very credible motives for his feelings. this is exactly why people are turned off to 'religion'. its because people are people, they think they are better off, its helps create their sense of security, by belittling others opinions, treating their own as higher or more correct than another person's belief.
and also because people are luke-warm, people will then view it as fake, its what you want it to be. but thats not what christianity is about, this is what people have made it. christianity had to be intense for it to last this long, for example god outright kills people for lying to Him, this had to be done in order for people of that day to realize that this was something real. but then this all comes down to if you believe in the bible or not. i'm not trying to pump it down your throat, i'm just trying to state its case.
if you are a christian you do not have to believe that all the other religions are simply wrong all through. if you are an atheist you do not have to believe that the main point in all the religions of the whole world is simply one huge mistake. if you are a christian, you are free to think that all those religions, even the weirdest ones, contain at least some hint of the truth. and in this case, i take christianity's side, so in my opinion, as in math, there is only one right answer, and all other answers are wrong, but some of the wrong answers are much nearer to being right than others.
blah..
Dean
TD Member
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell
nuff said.
nuff said.
I am not telling anyone to believe anything holy shit how many times do i have to say that.
And hell, you guys are having the time of your life, i dont have time to respond nor do i want to as i have lost the will. this is because whenever i say anything its gotten up to like, 6 or 7 opposing arguments before i can reply once again. and the banana video is fucking retarded having no relevance to anything whatsoever.
Do you know why people believe in the word of the Lord? Because the word of the Lord is permanent. It is never ending, indestructible and forever. it is true to itself as it is true to others. Yes, there are rulers who have misused the power the of the Word, but sin is something God did not create, it is something we created ourselves.
If you could please stop tying the mistakes of the human race in with the mistakes of God that would be great because God has made no mistakes.
Oh yeah, and i really dont like getting in religious arguments with atheists because they talk like they got shit all figured out when in reality most of the atheists i know are not too fond of the situation that they are in.
And hell, you guys are having the time of your life, i dont have time to respond nor do i want to as i have lost the will. this is because whenever i say anything its gotten up to like, 6 or 7 opposing arguments before i can reply once again. and the banana video is fucking retarded having no relevance to anything whatsoever.
Do you know why people believe in the word of the Lord? Because the word of the Lord is permanent. It is never ending, indestructible and forever. it is true to itself as it is true to others. Yes, there are rulers who have misused the power the of the Word, but sin is something God did not create, it is something we created ourselves.
If you could please stop tying the mistakes of the human race in with the mistakes of God that would be great because God has made no mistakes.
Oh yeah, and i really dont like getting in religious arguments with atheists because they talk like they got shit all figured out when in reality most of the atheists i know are not too fond of the situation that they are in.
TurboTaco
TD Admin
[quote1259892069=dead mike]
foxx you seem like you may be one of the few truly decent human beings i have ever seen come across this site. i think you should read the quran, surely ye will prosper.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha Dead Mike, priceless....even tho i think you were being 100% serious ROFL
foxx you seem like you may be one of the few truly decent human beings i have ever seen come across this site. i think you should read the quran, surely ye will prosper.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha Dead Mike, priceless....even tho i think you were being 100% serious ROFL
Narf!
TD Admin
[quote1259893500=TurboTaco]
[quote1259892069=dead mike]
foxx you seem like you may be one of the few truly decent human beings i have ever seen come across this site. i think you should read the quran, surely ye will prosper.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha Dead Mike, priceless....even tho i think you were being 100% serious ROFL
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I think that's why it was funny...
[quote1259892069=dead mike]
foxx you seem like you may be one of the few truly decent human beings i have ever seen come across this site. i think you should read the quran, surely ye will prosper.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha Dead Mike, priceless....even tho i think you were being 100% serious ROFL
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I think that's why it was funny...
Steve
TD Admin | Bacon
Religion exists today for those who fear death. Weak people that cannot handle the fact that when their loved one die, they are gone forever. Some people just cant handle reality so they believe fairy tale shit like Christianity.
Religion was needed in the beginning, when people weren't civilized, however I feel humanity has evolved past that primitive state.
The day religion dies will be the day humanity is freed.
Religion is basically the nationalized x100. Just a way of control.
Religion was needed in the beginning, when people weren't civilized, however I feel humanity has evolved past that primitive state.
The day religion dies will be the day humanity is freed.
Religion is basically the nationalized x100. Just a way of control.
Steve
TD Admin | Bacon
[quote1259894085=foxx]
Oh yeah, and i really dont like getting in religious arguments with atheists because they talk like they got shit all figured out when in reality most of the atheists i know are not too fond of the situation that they are in.
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NO, atheists don't have shit figured out.
We realize that it the meaning of life is beyond humanitys grasp and we admit that.
Christians are the ones who think they have it all figured out.
What lead to our evolution is a great mystery. For all we know it could have been created by the actions of higher beings.
But it is truly beyond us to understand, and a bunch of stupid fucks 2000 years ago don't know more about it than any one on this vent.
Oh yeah, and i really dont like getting in religious arguments with atheists because they talk like they got shit all figured out when in reality most of the atheists i know are not too fond of the situation that they are in.
[/quote1259894085]
NO, atheists don't have shit figured out.
We realize that it the meaning of life is beyond humanitys grasp and we admit that.
Christians are the ones who think they have it all figured out.
What lead to our evolution is a great mystery. For all we know it could have been created by the actions of higher beings.
But it is truly beyond us to understand, and a bunch of stupid fucks 2000 years ago don't know more about it than any one on this vent.
[quote1259897839=Steve]
[quote1259894085=foxx]
Oh yeah, and i really dont like getting in religious arguments with atheists because they talk like they got shit all figured out when in reality most of the atheists i know are not too fond of the situation that they are in.
[/quote1259894085]
NO, atheists don't have shit figured out.
We realize that it the meaning of life is beyond humanitys grasp and we admit that.
Christians are the ones who think they have it all figured out.
What lead to our evolution is a great mystery. For all we know it could have been created by the actions of higher beings.
But it is truly beyond us to understand, and a bunch of stupid fucks 2000 years ago don't know more about it than any one on this vent.
[/quote1259897839]
True... not to mention that even if there is a god it doesn't make a difference and spending your whole life pondering it is a waste of time. Live a good life because it's the right thing to do for fellow humans, not because daddys going to spank you. And seek strength and solace in fellow humans, they'll appreciate it and help you more often.
[quote1259894085=foxx]
Oh yeah, and i really dont like getting in religious arguments with atheists because they talk like they got shit all figured out when in reality most of the atheists i know are not too fond of the situation that they are in.
[/quote1259894085]
NO, atheists don't have shit figured out.
We realize that it the meaning of life is beyond humanitys grasp and we admit that.
Christians are the ones who think they have it all figured out.
What lead to our evolution is a great mystery. For all we know it could have been created by the actions of higher beings.
But it is truly beyond us to understand, and a bunch of stupid fucks 2000 years ago don't know more about it than any one on this vent.
[/quote1259897839]
True... not to mention that even if there is a god it doesn't make a difference and spending your whole life pondering it is a waste of time. Live a good life because it's the right thing to do for fellow humans, not because daddys going to spank you. And seek strength and solace in fellow humans, they'll appreciate it and help you more often.
B.From.Acc
TD Admin
[quote1259904530=Auron]
True... not to mention that even if there is a god it doesn't make a difference and spending your whole life pondering it is a waste of time. Live a good life because it's the right thing to do for fellow humans, not because daddys going to spank you. And seek strength and solace in fellow humans, they'll appreciate it and help you more often.
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this is what i mean, the things people say are not much different from each other, most 'religions' embody those very same 'live a good life because it is the right thing to do for fellow humans". YET, once someone puts a word anything closely related to a religion, people say.. no. our equations are the same but answers are different. is it that hard to think outside yourself and your own understanding? and IMO, if there is a god or not makes a whole world of difference. and if time was spent on religions, it would be evident that its not a whole lifetime pondering it, its a whole life time acting it out; there is action in the feared word 'religion' contrary to what auron may have pointed out.
i know i don't know the background of everyone here, but seriously, for the weak? be careful of your words too steve, foxx a thirteen year old who was probably forever changed by his parents break up. i hope you think that over. but then again, you could have experienced the same thing so who am i to say. BUT, it could also be said that people who believe in the absence of god are weak, believing in nothing is easier than believing in something IMO.
edit: sorry for the rant. i have a final tomorrow, followed by 4 more in the next two weeks and a video taped physical exam i have to perform. stresssed... still much love for you all. do not mean to attack anyone.
True... not to mention that even if there is a god it doesn't make a difference and spending your whole life pondering it is a waste of time. Live a good life because it's the right thing to do for fellow humans, not because daddys going to spank you. And seek strength and solace in fellow humans, they'll appreciate it and help you more often.
[/quote1259904530]
this is what i mean, the things people say are not much different from each other, most 'religions' embody those very same 'live a good life because it is the right thing to do for fellow humans". YET, once someone puts a word anything closely related to a religion, people say.. no. our equations are the same but answers are different. is it that hard to think outside yourself and your own understanding? and IMO, if there is a god or not makes a whole world of difference. and if time was spent on religions, it would be evident that its not a whole lifetime pondering it, its a whole life time acting it out; there is action in the feared word 'religion' contrary to what auron may have pointed out.
i know i don't know the background of everyone here, but seriously, for the weak? be careful of your words too steve, foxx a thirteen year old who was probably forever changed by his parents break up. i hope you think that over. but then again, you could have experienced the same thing so who am i to say. BUT, it could also be said that people who believe in the absence of god are weak, believing in nothing is easier than believing in something IMO.
edit: sorry for the rant. i have a final tomorrow, followed by 4 more in the next two weeks and a video taped physical exam i have to perform. stresssed... still much love for you all. do not mean to attack anyone.
Steve
TD Admin | Bacon
[quote1259909337=B.From.Acc]
i know i don't know the background of everyone here, but seriously, for the weak? be careful of your words too steve, foxx a thirteen year old who was probably forever changed by his parents break up. i hope you think that over. but then again, you could have experienced the same thing so who am i to say. BUT, it could also be said that people who believe in the absence of god are weak, believing in nothing is easier than believing in something IMO.
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No I would say excepting that you don't know is a lot harder than believing in something that is ridiculous. Coping with the fact that you will never see your deceased family members again is hard.
A woman in one of my classes last semester talked about how if it wasn't for the bible she wouldn't have made it through her husbands death(died in Iraq). She's widowed with 2 children.
It may seem like a dick comment, but I see that as being weak. Its okay to have a hard time with death, but trying to never truly addressing it by believing in such outlandish things such as the concept of heaven.. its just pathetic.
Remember the deceased for the people they were, and enjoy the time you have with family.
i know i don't know the background of everyone here, but seriously, for the weak? be careful of your words too steve, foxx a thirteen year old who was probably forever changed by his parents break up. i hope you think that over. but then again, you could have experienced the same thing so who am i to say. BUT, it could also be said that people who believe in the absence of god are weak, believing in nothing is easier than believing in something IMO.
[/quote1259909337]
No I would say excepting that you don't know is a lot harder than believing in something that is ridiculous. Coping with the fact that you will never see your deceased family members again is hard.
A woman in one of my classes last semester talked about how if it wasn't for the bible she wouldn't have made it through her husbands death(died in Iraq). She's widowed with 2 children.
It may seem like a dick comment, but I see that as being weak. Its okay to have a hard time with death, but trying to never truly addressing it by believing in such outlandish things such as the concept of heaven.. its just pathetic.
Remember the deceased for the people they were, and enjoy the time you have with family.
B.From.Acc
TD Admin
[quote1259932151=Steve]
[quote1259909337=B.From.Acc]
i know i don't know the background of everyone here, but seriously, for the weak? be careful of your words too steve, foxx a thirteen year old who was probably forever changed by his parents break up. i hope you think that over. but then again, you could have experienced the same thing so who am i to say. BUT, it could also be said that people who believe in the absence of god are weak, believing in nothing is easier than believing in something IMO.
[/quote1259909337]
No I would say excepting that you don't know is a lot harder than believing in something that is ridiculous. Coping with the fact that you will never see your deceased family members again is hard.
A woman in one of my classes last semester talked about how if it wasn't for the bible she wouldn't have made it through her husbands death(died in Iraq). She's widowed with 2 children.
It may seem like a dick comment, but I see that as being weak. Its okay to have a hard time with death, but trying to never truly addressing it by believing in such outlandish things such as the concept of heaven.. its just pathetic.
Remember the deceased for the people they were, and enjoy the time you have with family.
[/quote1259932151]
and i respect that.
[quote1259909337=B.From.Acc]
i know i don't know the background of everyone here, but seriously, for the weak? be careful of your words too steve, foxx a thirteen year old who was probably forever changed by his parents break up. i hope you think that over. but then again, you could have experienced the same thing so who am i to say. BUT, it could also be said that people who believe in the absence of god are weak, believing in nothing is easier than believing in something IMO.
[/quote1259909337]
No I would say excepting that you don't know is a lot harder than believing in something that is ridiculous. Coping with the fact that you will never see your deceased family members again is hard.
A woman in one of my classes last semester talked about how if it wasn't for the bible she wouldn't have made it through her husbands death(died in Iraq). She's widowed with 2 children.
It may seem like a dick comment, but I see that as being weak. Its okay to have a hard time with death, but trying to never truly addressing it by believing in such outlandish things such as the concept of heaven.. its just pathetic.
Remember the deceased for the people they were, and enjoy the time you have with family.
[/quote1259932151]
and i respect that.
