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Cock

Cockilicious
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Before i start this post i need to say i feel very bad for Hogg, :( it's a horrible situation. :(

And Foxx, I really don't want to use you as an example as I'm trying not to attack you personally but these are your words.

foxx said:
cock, im not shoving Christianity down your throat,

You clearly state it's a better way and not only that you come off a little arrogant about it. Most Christians do this, which is why I'm calling you out on it.


oh boo hoo, no sex before marriage, man if you are looking for happiness than there are certain things you have to give up, and that is the reality of life.

Sexual preferences aside as Sex has nothing to do with the topic

This is not the reality of life, this is Your reality of life.
Now do you see what you did there? You draw from personal experience and then tell people "THIS IS THE PERFECT ONLY WAY".
I don't like being told I'm doing it wrong because I've made different choices when you have no idea of my life or what I've been through.

But man, things just work out under God, and while that is a personal perspective it is one i might as well share.

By all means, share it but as a personal experience. Don't say thing like "the best way to avoid"
just because your sharing the Christian way doesn't make it the best way, just makes it the way you know. You however don't know the BEST way and you know what? Neither do I but i would never claimed other wise as this is impossible to know.

I'm not telling anyone to do anything, and im not telling you to become a christian.
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Really? because just before this in the SAME sentence you said:

but from a philosophical prospective christian ideals are those most likely to ensure happiness.

this sounds an a lot like your telling everyone to become christian if they want to be happy. also is the second most arrogant comment you made.
 

Cock

Cockilicious
Staff member
[quote1259815151=Mandy]
abortion is cruel..
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in certain circumstances yes it is.
And in other certain circumstances birth is cruel.
 

TurboTaco

TD Admin
Man, Foxx, you're young and have a perspective of the world the size and scope of a microtube.

Christianity or any other religion is no better than any other and the philisophical ideals laid out in religions are nothing 'divine' or godly. They have been repeated by word of mouth before the time of any imagined gods, and certainly millenia before roman catholicism ever occured.

You saying living christian is the only way to happiness? lol fuck you, because it is not. Thats the fact.

Everyone experiences happiness and sorrows. You know what I really hate is whenever any religious person has something good happen to them, they praise the stars for a miracle. When something bad happens? Not any gods fault, it must be your own for living so selfishly.

Grow up, you haven't even lived long enough to have dated someone for over a month yet.
 
haha, two things have just happened. 1: I have been treated as though my opinion is worth its weight in water solely because i am a teen, and 2: i have had words placed in my mouth.

COCK: im sorry, but the way I see it; if you look around you at all the families and see which ones are the lengthiest and most successful it will be Christian families by a longshot. I am by no means saying Christianity is the only way to achieve that and if you derived that from my previous posts you need to recheck your thinking. and yes, sex was aside from the topic. I said sex before marriage not as a reference that Christianity is the greatest but merely as an example towards any thing that might have to be sacrificed for happiness. I dont give a rats ass what i may "sound like" to you because the fact of the matter is my duty as a Christian is not to demand conversions but to spread the good word of the Lord. yeah yeah, its cliche, what the fuck.

I respect you also, despite personal beliefs. I also appreciate the manner in which you have gone about discussing with me about this, thank you.

TURBO: as much as i want to write you a 10 page essay i dont have that kind of time, so enjoy thinking that you have won this argument.

TD: Lets please not dive into the most debated subject EVER. nobody will win. nobody will end up happy. I could spend hours hunched over writing about God and so could you but nobody wants to do that, eh?

HOGG: man i am very sorry about whatever situation you may be in and all i can say is good luck on your journey through life.
 

OG buckshot jr

TD Admin
[quote1259823662=dead mike]
watching my cousin with three kids, three fathers (all deadbeats), and up the creek without a paddle is a very good reason to encourage females to really consider marriage before giving it up.

also ALLAH demands it, and ALLAH knows best, that said i got married riding a shotgun, but if i could go back i wouldent.
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LOL you and your hallah... your parents would kill you if they read this hahaha
 

OG buckshot jr

TD Admin
[quote1259823797=foxx]
cock, im not shoving Christianity down your throat...

...christian ideals are those most likely to ensure happiness.[/quote1259823797]

Soooooo your NOT shoving it down our throats, right?

Contradiction son. You should re-phrase your arguement, stating that YOU believe, in your own opinion, that Christianity brings the most happiness of all 'routes' of pursuit. I'm Christian too, but I'm leaving religion out of this arguement. I know exactly what I want but I'm not throwing it in this convo...

EDIT:

Anyway, I (as many others here already have) got carried away from the real topic at hand... Ommission... whaaaaaaa haaaaaaaappen man? We're all here to talk, MINUS all the nit-nat arguements... you need to get some shit off your chest or what?
 

Cock

Cockilicious
Staff member
foxx said:
If you look around you at all the families and see which ones are the lengthiest and most successful it will be Christian families by a longshot.

Finally, see if you said this and just left it alone maybe put your own experiences in there I'd have no troubles.


you should give a shit how others interpret you!!!! as you say your supposed to spread the word, and how it's received is VERY important. Saying things like "the best way to avoid" or "that is the reality of life" is just insulting and untrue.

not only that but then you Say "i don't give a rats ass about how you heard it" which is a totally arrogant comment. But The fact is your not the only one to think like that, and that is just plain wrong, and this mentality has been my issue with your original post all along.


I respect you also, despite personal beliefs. I also appreciate the manner in which you have gone about discussing with me about this, thank you.

You too Bud, i know i twisted things a bit but only to try and enlighten you a tad. And I don't know how old you are.
 

TurboTaco

TD Admin
lol leroy

Ok, Foxx, I have no idea where you are pulling your facts from. The LONGEST and HAPPIEST marriages are solely a result of being CHRISTIAN? I take your response and shit on it like I shit after a weekend of binge drinking.

How many Christians/Catholics/Denomination of Catholicism are there? How many of them are married? How many are DIVORCED? Divorce ratios in canada were 2.24 divorces for every 1 Marriage in 2003. In USA? 3.6 divorces for every 1 marriage in 2009. Are you telling me christian marriages never result in divorce? Check your head man, you're living in OZ.

Religion, whilie it plays it roles in peoples lives in a multitidue of ways, is NOT indicitive of how successful a relationship is. An EQUAL effort to maintain a balanced relationship is based upon the two individuals; not two individuals and god.

I've been dating my girl for almost 5 years now with many bumps along the way, but overall it has been genuinely smoothe. And you know what? We're both agnostic.

I agree with you on one thing Foxx, and that is two people with similar personalities will have a better chance at long-term success versus those who are polar opposites. If two people are really religious and into that, thats great. If two people are atheists and into that, thats great. Those two couples have EQUAL chance of being in a successful relationship. god, bibles, allah, kuran, abraham, whatever the fuck, doesn't have ANY bearing on you unless YOU let it have an impact on you.

Don't act like you're not trying to be an evangelist when you're throwing bibles in our faces.

And yes Foxx, I think you are young and still have a limited view of the world. Believe it or not, I was pushed into Christianity after my mom passed and tried for awhile to see what so many see.

I find a majority of ALL religious people (save for a very few pious and truly faithful individuals in their religions) are luke-warm religious practitioners. They can give all the religious advice in the world, yet they can't take their own advice. They live in hypocrisy then feel bad about it because they think some divine force is shaking their head and finger at them.

Humans are humans; and humans created religions, they created the stories, they created the lessons. God didn't write a book and drop it on the ground; a living breathing homo-sapien did.

And one more quip against you Foxx, and I mean this: Christiniaty is again, By NO MEANS (I stress this), any better than ANY religion out there. It is people in this world who blindly say "my gawd is better than your gawd" that causes WAR, VIOLENCE, GENOCIDE, MURDER, EXPLOITATION, SLAVERY, the list can go on. Christianity doesn't sit at the top of a golden ladder, and neither does being Buddhist, Islamic, Jewish, Taoist, or what have you.

The sooner you can comprehend, understand, and live with that; the sooner you will have other people's respect.
 

bangbang

I'm New Here
Alright ... I’m gonna have to side with foxx on this one ... marriage is a big deal and me just kinda getting into a marriage myself!!

The longest and happiest marriages are obtained statistically by not having sex before you get married, not living together before you get married, and sharing the same ideals and values. This has been proven statistically in many books by many different authors which I do not have with me now but i can get if needed.

Now Turbo ... approximately 35% of the world is of the christain faith, many of whom are happily married. Sure maybe some of them get divorced and some are “casual” christains but they should share the same values. When you get up at the alter whatever faith you are you promise to stay married “for better or for worse” and you are making this promise to God and entrusting your marriage in him.

Religion places many good values in people and should not be undermined by people. As a christain child you are taught not to sleep around (helps prevent you from getting STDs), don’t do drugs, also you have the Ten Commandments which are pretty much self explanatory!

I am not throwing the bible in your face and neither was Foxx ... what he was doing was stating the facts that say that Christian marriages are more likely to be successful and not end up like Tiger Woods!

You could also say that i have a limited view of the world myself since I am also in my mid twenties ... but I come from a large family whose parents have never split and also all of my relatives parents never split. Divorce is a huge problem in today’s society and it is largely because of media and celebrity influence and not because of religion.

And yes a homo-sapien wrote the bible ... but he was a witness to all of the things that Jesus did while he was here. If there is no God ... then what created the very first being on Earth? Who created the Earth? Who created humans?

And no ... he didn’t say Christianity sits at the “top of the ladder”. Sure there are Christians out there that commit mortal sins like murder, genocide, rape and what have you ... but those people will all go to hell unless forgiven!

And Turbo ... please tell me how many of those that you found that divorced were Christian? And also ... grow up and try to be a little nicer ... not everyone here is of the same race, religion or whatever and the all have their own beliefs ... that doesn’t mean you have to be a tyrant and rage on him just cause he is expressing his views and opinions ... maybe you could learn something new here that you never knew before ... or maybe even a life lesson. Try thinking outside the box and see it from someone elses perspective instead of your own narrow-minded views!

Oh and turbo ... respect is earned, not given ... you don’t lose peoples respect just because you believe in God or practice a certain faith. Respect is a very important aspect of our daily lives that is EARNED! You lost a lot of my respect just for demeaning a person like that. The sooner you realize this ... the sooner you will get respect from your fellow people of whatever faith!
 

TurboTaco

TD Admin
[quote1259841959=bangbang]Religion places many good values in people and should not be undermined by people. As a christain child you are taught not to sleep around (helps prevent you from getting STDs), don’t do drugs, also you have the Ten Commandments which are pretty much self explanatory![/quote1259841959]

I already agreed that religions provide some good lessons and morals in people. But Christian's weren't the first to say "don't sleep around, don't do drugs, and follow these 10 rules". An Agnostic or Atheist families instill the exact same message, totally regardless of religious context. Human are smart, and they passed that knowledge from a very early point in history by word of mouth and through stories and lessons. Some of which invariably ended up in your New King James version.

[quote1259841959=bangbang]... what he was doing was stating the facts that say that Christian marriages are more likely to be successful and not end up like Tiger Woods![/quote1259841959]

No. Simply put, this type of statement is what people call overgeneralized. You're telling me a devout christian marriage will do better than a devout catholic/morman/islamic/buddhist marriage? No. Again, your assumptions are based on general ideas and perspectives within your own collective experiences. It is a statement like this that can imply to readers that you are trying to say "Christianity is #1!!!!!"

[quote1259841959=bangbang]Divorce is a huge problem in today’s society and it is largely because of media and celebrity influence and not because of religion.[/quote1259841959]

I agree, divorce is a problem, and I never once said religion was what caused it. I was saying that, despite your faith, divorces occur; even in christian faith.

[quote1259841959=bangbang]And yes a homo-sapien wrote the bible ... but he was a witness to all of the things that Jesus did while he was here. If there is no God ... then what created the very first being on Earth? Who created the Earth? Who created humans?[/quote1259841959]

First of all, homo-sapiens (plural) wrote the book. The old and new testament weren't written by one, but by hundreds. And your rhetorical question cannot be answered, no one knows. But I sure as hell can tell you that the earth was not made in 7 days and that the first two humans: Adam and Eve, were not made from dirt (adam) and Adam's rib (eve).



[quote1259841959=bangbang]And no ... he didn’t say Christianity sits at the “top of the ladder”.[/quote1259841959]

He didn't say it, but what he wrote sure as fuck implies it. I'm sure most readers who have read the posts will agree.

[quote1259841959=bangbang]... grow up and try to be a little nicer ... not everyone here is of the same race, religion or whatever and the all have their own beliefs ... that doesn’t mean you have to be a tyrant and rage on him just cause he is expressing his views and opinions ... [/quote1259841959]

I am nice, but if my words seem harsh, it is because they were meant to be. I am only expressing my frustration at those who tell people "this is how it should be because this is the way of my god". I'm not bashing anyone's race or religion, and I understand people have their own opinions and beliefs. All I have been saying has been my own opinion, and that opinion again is that no religion is better than any other and by saying generic statements like "christian ideals are those most likely to ensure happiness" are wrong. Pure and simple.

[quote1259841959=bangbang]respect is earned, not given ... you don’t lose peoples respect just because you believe in God or practice a certain faith. Respect is a very important aspect of our daily lives that is EARNED! You lost a lot of my respect just for demeaning a person like that. The sooner you realize this ... the sooner you will get respect from your fellow people of whatever faith![/quote1259841959]

Foxx never lost my respect because he is Christian, he never had my respect. I don't know him asides from his posts (which is the basis of annoyance). I don't care if I'm at -5 on your 1-10 respect scale. I really don't give two hershey kiss farts about you.

What I do care about is people telling people to do things one way just because they themselves can't see outside the box and cannot understand other people's perspectives despite claiming to.
 

Narf!

TD Admin
[quote1259846829=[503]Hoggslayer]
Wow,woman straight threw me out, cold hearted as hell. four years and two kids together and it all comes to get the fuck out. and now i don't have a place to live, no job, can't see my kids and got backstabbed by my "wife"..and she's fuckin around with a married guy who's a deadbeat. This young newbs is why you can't trust a woman.

:(
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:( That sucks bro.

Was this something recent? I mean, I know you just had a kid a couple months back :|
 

TurboTaco

TD Admin
And to all, sorry for continuing the thread-jacking. Omission started this thread without any fisticuffs and I am awfully sorry to hear about the crap that happened to Hoggslayer :(

But in regards to abortions, i remember these anti-abortion activists lining on the streets some years ago holding posters with pictures of late abortions and captions saying something along the lines of: "How many Einsteins, Shakespeares, Scientists or Doctors have we helped kill?"

I wish I could have retorted with my own poster saying: "How many Ted Bundy's, Serial Rapists, Pedophiles, or Murderers have we helped kill?
 

Narf!

TD Admin
[quote1259848025=bangbang]
As a christain child you are taught not to sleep around (helps prevent you from getting STDs), don’t do drugs...
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LOL you think Christian children are the only ones who have access to that privileged information? It's called good parenting and common sense.


[quote1259848025=bangbang]
And yes a homo-sapien wrote the bible ... but he was a witness to all of the things that Jesus did while he was here. If there is no God ... then what created the very first being on Earth? Who created the Earth? Who created humans?
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*cough* It's called evolution *cough*


[quote1259848025=bangbang]
Try thinking outside the box and see it from someone elses perspective instead of your own narrow-minded views!
[/quote1259848025]

This from someone who believes a god made Adam out of clay and Eve out of something (I forget).


[quote1259848583=TurboTaco]
The sooner you can comprehend, understand, and live with that; the sooner you will have other people's respect.
[/quote1259848583]
[quote1259848025=bangbang]
Oh and turbo ... respect is earned, not given ... you don’t lose peoples respect just because you believe in God or practice a certain faith. Respect is a very important aspect of our daily lives that is EARNED! You lost a lot of my respect just for demeaning a person like that. The sooner you realize this ... the sooner you will get respect from your fellow people of whatever faith!
[/quote1259848025]

Where did Taco say respect was given?
 
Well, cock, you just misinterpreted my message and I am just pointing out that that is not my fault.

And while i am a mere 16 i possess knowledge far beyond my years in this regard.

I know what its like to be an atheist, i was one up until the age of about 13. While that may be young, I pretty much heard most atheist comments and dispelled the Christian ones as though they were coming from retards.

Then, my parents got divorced and it was messy buiness. There was screaming, slammed doors, crying, and it ended in a mutal hatred. It left me pretty shooken up with nothing to hold onto for support. My dad then began taking me to church despite his agnostic beliefs. My mother took me to a counselor. I bet you can guess what helped me up. Now when i consider things from a Christian standpoint I also consider them from that of someone who isn't Christian. No matter how I look at it God is more logical.

Ok, can we please stay away from evolution because that is a whole other 10 page essay. Not that I cant argue with you, I just dont want to.
 
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