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Pyro
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i can't believe I read all of this. it amazes me that people still continue to argue over religion and religion-pushing.
here is how i see it (i dont give a fuck if you asked for my position or not):
-Religion:
---provides largely useful doctrines for running a society
---these doctrines are reflective of the society at the time they are written and must often be modified at a later date
---religious doctrine is interpretive
-Religious People:
---believe and follow their respective doctrines
---are inclined to spread their doctrines
---can be both extremely good (Jesus, Mother Teresa, Gandhi, Muhammad, Dalai Lama, etc.), and extremely bad (numerous popes, kings, terrorists, etc.)
-Secularization:
---designed to keep the bad religious people from using their exclusionary interpretations of religious doctrines to operate a state
---often prevents the good religious people from using religious doctrines to justify a moral operation of the state
-Unreligious people:
---do not hold any religious doctrine as sacred and infallible
---rely instead on sound secular doctrine and law which provides unsurprisingly similar guidelines to those of religious doctrine
---are inclined to spread this belief
---can be extremely good and extremely bad
durrr? apply this to the concept of 'marriage' and you get this:
religious and unreligious people who value marriage. both groups believe in basically the same guidelines for operating a successful marriage (ofcourse there are eccentricities in every religious or secular group[think polygamy in religion and S&M in the secular world (although im sure there is at least one pair of diehard christians who play with whips every thursday night)]).
what does it all mean? well it means that turbo is working so hard to make fox realize that religion is a tool. hmmm. divinely inspired or not, it is up to each individual.
-----just an aside here: the Romans thought Christians were dirty little buggers because in the Roman mindset, to worship a convicted criminal as God is absurd. but, I digress.
sorry for the essay, and no im not trying to shoot down religion. believe what you want to believe, but please for fuck's sake accept that religion is just one successful means of operating a marriage, a community, or a state.
here is how i see it (i dont give a fuck if you asked for my position or not):
-Religion:
---provides largely useful doctrines for running a society
---these doctrines are reflective of the society at the time they are written and must often be modified at a later date
---religious doctrine is interpretive
-Religious People:
---believe and follow their respective doctrines
---are inclined to spread their doctrines
---can be both extremely good (Jesus, Mother Teresa, Gandhi, Muhammad, Dalai Lama, etc.), and extremely bad (numerous popes, kings, terrorists, etc.)
-Secularization:
---designed to keep the bad religious people from using their exclusionary interpretations of religious doctrines to operate a state
---often prevents the good religious people from using religious doctrines to justify a moral operation of the state
-Unreligious people:
---do not hold any religious doctrine as sacred and infallible
---rely instead on sound secular doctrine and law which provides unsurprisingly similar guidelines to those of religious doctrine
---are inclined to spread this belief
---can be extremely good and extremely bad
durrr? apply this to the concept of 'marriage' and you get this:
religious and unreligious people who value marriage. both groups believe in basically the same guidelines for operating a successful marriage (ofcourse there are eccentricities in every religious or secular group[think polygamy in religion and S&M in the secular world (although im sure there is at least one pair of diehard christians who play with whips every thursday night)]).
what does it all mean? well it means that turbo is working so hard to make fox realize that religion is a tool. hmmm. divinely inspired or not, it is up to each individual.
-----just an aside here: the Romans thought Christians were dirty little buggers because in the Roman mindset, to worship a convicted criminal as God is absurd. but, I digress.
sorry for the essay, and no im not trying to shoot down religion. believe what you want to believe, but please for fuck's sake accept that religion is just one successful means of operating a marriage, a community, or a state.
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[503]Hoggslayer
TD Member
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Wow,woman straight threw me out, cold hearted as hell. four years and two kids together and it all comes to get the fuck out. and now i don't have a place to live, no job, can't see my kids and got backstabbed by my "wife"..and she's fuckin around with a married guy who's a deadbeat. This young newbs is why you can't trust a woman.
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That sucks bro.
Was this something recent? I mean, I know you just had a kid a couple months back :|
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Ya this was this week, and i am still choking on the bitter taste.
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Wow,woman straight threw me out, cold hearted as hell. four years and two kids together and it all comes to get the fuck out. and now i don't have a place to live, no job, can't see my kids and got backstabbed by my "wife"..and she's fuckin around with a married guy who's a deadbeat. This young newbs is why you can't trust a woman.
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That sucks bro.Was this something recent? I mean, I know you just had a kid a couple months back :|
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Ya this was this week, and i am still choking on the bitter taste.
You fuckers get up WAY too early.
Foxx, I'm not fighting about god or religion I haven't even stated my personal views I'm fighting for you to try and understand That you are responsible for the words you say/type. You can be as defensive as you want and say it's everyones fault because they perceived your words wrong, but that's a very arrogant way of thinking.
Untill you see that people will constantly argue with you because what you say And how you say it prevokes them. And you are resonsible for that.
I like seeing TD fired up about something, even if it is an over talked about subject that will never have an ending.
Foxx, I'm not fighting about god or religion I haven't even stated my personal views I'm fighting for you to try and understand That you are responsible for the words you say/type. You can be as defensive as you want and say it's everyones fault because they perceived your words wrong, but that's a very arrogant way of thinking.
Untill you see that people will constantly argue with you because what you say And how you say it prevokes them. And you are resonsible for that.
I like seeing TD fired up about something, even if it is an over talked about subject that will never have an ending.
Propaganda
TD Member
Everyone will go to hell except us fine Christian folk, Jesus said so, thought you guys all knew that?
Its just annoying that there are a whole lot of canadians who are opposed to seemingly all religion and I am the kid who has to bring up the subject that everyone rages about. I mean fuck, I dont want to go to a Christian server because those guys tend to be a bunch of fags who dont know the meaning of fun. You guys are a great group and i appreciate you server, but you guys fired up in opposition to me really isnt too fun. I have finals coming up so i really cant spend too much time writing shit.
I still love you guys in the gayest way possible, even cock and turbo.
I still love you guys in the gayest way possible, even cock and turbo.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Foxx I'm religious as well as you are. I love God and I know my own beliefs very well. Heck, I share many of the same values you do.
However, I won't come in here and drop it like it's the hottest shit out there. I let people believe what they want to. I'm not here to say "Christianity is the best, and I'm Christian!
" That's not the way it goes...
No one here is against you, or your beliefs, rather they just oppose the way you might have worded it. No biggie hommie.
Also, we haven't had a nice discussion on an in-depth topic such as this in a while, so thanks all for contributing, and Ommission (pending this isn't personal, rather just for conversation/opinion sake) for bringing it up.
However, I won't come in here and drop it like it's the hottest shit out there. I let people believe what they want to. I'm not here to say "Christianity is the best, and I'm Christian!
" That's not the way it goes...No one here is against you, or your beliefs, rather they just oppose the way you might have worded it. No biggie hommie.
Also, we haven't had a nice discussion on an in-depth topic such as this in a while, so thanks all for contributing, and Ommission (pending this isn't personal, rather just for conversation/opinion sake) for bringing it up.
bangbang
I'm New Here
sooo ... don't have time to respond to those that merit responding to but if you are so inclined to watch a scientist show why evolution is dumb ... then here you go!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6814048597272982882#
Sure ... maybe hes a Christian but he makes many valid points@
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6814048597272982882#
Sure ... maybe hes a Christian but he makes many valid points@
TurboTaco
TD Admin
Too bad "Dr." Kent Hovind is nothing but a religious schuckster who ended up going to jail for being a petty thief.
Want to know what so many evangelical preachers like him really are? Criminals, hustlers, pimps.
Why is he popular? He says things religious fanatics want to hear while infusing it with no better than slapstick comedy.
Dr. Kent Hovind: is stupid.
Want to know what so many evangelical preachers like him really are? Criminals, hustlers, pimps.
Why is he popular? He says things religious fanatics want to hear while infusing it with no better than slapstick comedy.
Dr. Kent Hovind: is stupid.
[503]Hoggslayer
TD Member
He's got my vote +1
Narf!
TD Admin
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sooo ... don't have time to respond to those that merit responding to but if you are so inclined to watch a scientist show why evolution is dumb ... then here you go!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6814048597272982882#
Sure ... maybe hes a Christian but he makes many valid points@
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Yes, because everyone should trust a convicted --fraud--. Hey, do you send money those those e-mails from some prince in Africa that needs a couple grand to access his inheritance money too?
EDIT: I watched a bit of the video by the way and he doesn't make good points, he makes horrible ones. He does, however phrases them in a way that makes him sound incredibly right/logical. For example he asked "has anybody seen a dog produce a non-dog? No. According to evolutionists, dogs came from a rock if you go back far enough." First of all, it's probably true that nobody has seen a dog produce a non-dog, but then again, who here has lived over thousands upon thousands of years? And let me ask you this Foxx and bang bang: Have you *seen* god? Has he appeared in front of you? Maybe smile a bit or wink at you? Chances are: no. You haven't. So by Kent's "logic" doesn't that also mean God doesn't exist? Surely if you've never seen it then it must not exist.
EDIT2: it's also funny how he slams that physicists theorize how the our planet/universe came to be (big bang theory) and how it probably came from "nothing". And with that, I agree with him to a certain extent, but that's why it's a theory and a work in progress and that part about our existence may never be proven. Yet he fails to compare that to creationism where god made the planet out of materials that just appeared because he what? Willed it to appear? Gimme a break.
sooo ... don't have time to respond to those that merit responding to but if you are so inclined to watch a scientist show why evolution is dumb ... then here you go!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6814048597272982882#
Sure ... maybe hes a Christian but he makes many valid points@
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Yes, because everyone should trust a convicted --fraud--. Hey, do you send money those those e-mails from some prince in Africa that needs a couple grand to access his inheritance money too?
EDIT: I watched a bit of the video by the way and he doesn't make good points, he makes horrible ones. He does, however phrases them in a way that makes him sound incredibly right/logical. For example he asked "has anybody seen a dog produce a non-dog? No. According to evolutionists, dogs came from a rock if you go back far enough." First of all, it's probably true that nobody has seen a dog produce a non-dog, but then again, who here has lived over thousands upon thousands of years? And let me ask you this Foxx and bang bang: Have you *seen* god? Has he appeared in front of you? Maybe smile a bit or wink at you? Chances are: no. You haven't. So by Kent's "logic" doesn't that also mean God doesn't exist? Surely if you've never seen it then it must not exist.
EDIT2: it's also funny how he slams that physicists theorize how the our planet/universe came to be (big bang theory) and how it probably came from "nothing". And with that, I agree with him to a certain extent, but that's why it's a theory and a work in progress and that part about our existence may never be proven. Yet he fails to compare that to creationism where god made the planet out of materials that just appeared because he what? Willed it to appear? Gimme a break.
mandy
TD Member
[quote1259875503=OG buckshot jr]
Foxx I'm religious as well as you are. I love God and I know my own beliefs very well. Heck, I share many of the same values you do.
However, I won't come in here and drop it like it's the hottest shit out there. I let people believe what they want to. I'm not here to say "Christianity is the best, and I'm Christian! " That's not the way it goes...
No one here is against you, or your beliefs, rather they just oppose the way you might have worded it. No biggie hommie.
Also, we haven't had a nice discussion on an in-depth topic such as this in a while, so thanks all for contributing, and Ommission (pending this isn't personal, rather just for conversation/opinion sake) for bringing it up.
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+1
Foxx I'm religious as well as you are. I love God and I know my own beliefs very well. Heck, I share many of the same values you do.
However, I won't come in here and drop it like it's the hottest shit out there. I let people believe what they want to. I'm not here to say "Christianity is the best, and I'm Christian!
" That's not the way it goes...No one here is against you, or your beliefs, rather they just oppose the way you might have worded it. No biggie hommie.
Also, we haven't had a nice discussion on an in-depth topic such as this in a while, so thanks all for contributing, and Ommission (pending this isn't personal, rather just for conversation/opinion sake) for bringing it up.
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+1