Suicide

[TurboTaco]

Dalton, amanda todd is neither heaven or hell because there is no god or devil or boogeyman or cthulu. She is dead and in the ground as a direct result of torment caused by real people in her life. Its a shame this happened to this poor girl and i am sure she did try to seek help and support. Yor belief that by her speaking to an invisble entity would save her life and solve all her problems is a joke.

If you want to start another religious debate, create a new thread. The last thing a person like amanda todd ever needed is for another person to pass judgement on her even after her death. Part of the reason she felt helpless and took her life is precisely people like yourself who pass judgement on others you know nothing about.

 

[Shortbus]

Lets respect the dead and let em be.

 

[zackychuu]

Lets respect the dead and let em be.

Or if we're going to start talking about/honouring all the people that committed suicide because of bullying, why not talk about all of them.

I don't see why this one girl is being singled out and spoken about constantly as if this is some new thing that has never happened before.
People commit suicide every day, for a lot of different reasons. A fair few of those people are being bullied by their peers and don't feel that they can carry on with their lives any more.
Why is this Amanda girl getting so much coverage when this shit happens on a daily basis.

 

[Steve]

She is dead and in the ground.

Natural selection in its modern day form.

 

[Leroy]

You know, as abrasive as Steve's comment is, I have to agree.

She gave up a life of fulfillment, enjoyment, release and happiness. Life is exactly what you make of it.

I tell you, if one day I decided to kill myself, I would empty my bank accounts, see the world, get drunk in the most expensive places and have unprotected sex with the whomever the hell I please. Think about how liberating it would be to not fear death? You could go ANYWHERE, who cares if you never made it back out, because every second of life is a gift. You could walk through a crip neighbourhood, or in a sunni slum, or a brazillian favela.... FREEDOM! Who cares, you're going to die anyways (in your mind).

I never understood suicide, I never will. She was having such a tough time at school, drop out, leave, move out of your parents, get a job in a different town, switch shit up. People won't understand, parents won't get it. It might be the hardest thing you ever do, it might seem impossible, but anything, ANYTHING is better than suicide. I think that's the easy way out, hence steve's comment. It's like, aww fuck it, I quit.

 

[Dalton442]

Taco. I am not passing judgement upon her. That is not my place. But you saying my religion is a joke is highly offensive. And anyway, if you didn't believe there was something bigger than you, watching over you, caring for you like its child, why would you want to live? What's the point? We're just another species going to run our coruse then die out and left the next one come a take our place. That's a very sad way to think, and my religion helps me keep going, to feel like I can acomplish something and it actually mean something.

 

[TurboTaco]

Taco. I am not passing judgement upon her. That is not my place. But you saying my religion is a joke is highly offensive. And anyway, if you didn't believe there was something bigger than you, watching over you, caring for you like its child, why would you want to live? What's the point? We're just another species going to run our coruse then die out and left the next one come a take our place. That's a very sad way to think, and my religion helps me keep going, to feel like I can acomplish something and it actually mean something.

I live my days caring bout friends n family n those Real around me cuz it is important. I dont need the belief or beliefs of some fairy tale to guide me or make me feel like i have meaning in life cuz if i do something in my life that means something to me, its enough and all i can expect and want. I dont require a safety blanket that is religion to make me feel worthwhile and loved as i have friends and family who provide that for me. U might and that is fine, i respect those who are really into their faiths. This isnt a discussion bout religion so lets drop that here and now. Also, by saying my way of thought is 'sad' is you passing a judgement, just like how u believe those who commit suicide have sinned and are going to hell. That is making a judgment about a person mate.

Again if u wanna talk religion, i will dissect you in another thread if u wish to argue religion. This is bout suicide, not sin and god.

 

[Roach]

What taco said ^

and dalton.
what about all the people that arent being watched over. shit just doesnt makes sense man.

suicide debates always come down to beliefs about death and the afterlife, which in turn turn into religeous debates.
everyone is entitled to thier opinion. but seriously, the first world christian way of thinking...is just....
its fucking weird, and in my opinion, extremly shortsighted.

but whatever floats your boat.

there i said it.

 

[Cock]

Your religion is 1 in 15+ others that has a totally different set of rules from daily activities to what is right and what is wrong.

if you didn't believe there was something bigger than you, watching over you, caring for you like its child, why would you want to live? What's the point? We're just another species going to run our coruse then die out and left the next one come a take our place. That's a very sad way to think, and my religion helps me keep going, to feel like I can acomplish something and it actually mean something.

Here's my thoughts on this,
I don't need to be watched to be good, I am my own person and I don't need taking care of. Believing in something higher makes to too easy to justify never being accountable for your own actions.

We are just another species going through our life span only to die out from our sun exploding. That truth may be fatalistic and hard to swallow for some, but why should I be worried about what comes after my death?

I am here, I am now, and at some point I will not be.

What's the point? Evolution, it's in the food you eat, the drugs you take, the bacteria you have all over your body, in your mouth and on your hands. It's the in the plants, the diseases, our reproductive cycles, and, lastly in our Brains.

For me, my Life, is not for worrying about what comes after death. But in the end that is your choice to make.

 

[Shortbus]

You know, as abrasive as Steve's comment is, I have to agree.


I never understood suicide, I never will. She was having such a tough time at school, drop out, leave, move out of your parents, get a job in a different town, switch shit up. People won't understand, parents won't get it. It might be the hardest thing you ever do, it might seem impossible, but anything, ANYTHING is better than suicide. I think that's the easy way out, hence steve's comment. It's like, aww fuck it, I quit.

Except not everyone is capable of this. Case in point, http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/09/23/bullied-boy-took-his-own-life .

This youngster was only 11 years old.

If people bullied a young child of mine to the point where they commit suicide, buddy, id go apeshit on people. Dont give me this bullshit where "oh you couldve done so and so to get by". What could have this eleven year old done, he was just a kid.

 

[Leroy]

Hmm, excellent counter point. Never thought of that.

 

[Rams]

 

[Discodude]

The problem with solving bullying is that if you help everyone, what you end up with is the kind of super-cautious mentality that causes people to prevent others from doing stuff for fear of being punished by extension. Granted once bullying reaches a point were you take your own life to escape it, it should be stopped (or should have been stopped beforehand). But you cannot punish everyone for what they do. You have to prevent the extremities, such as these kids killing themselves. People need to notice.

It's not that you can't notice everything that's done wrong, or negatively, it's just that there would be too many cases. I think kids, as bullying starts (or anyone getting bullied) should seek help, to try and end the bullying before it progresses, but that the cases that should be looked out for are the long time ones.

Such sad stories...

Also: @Dalton, this isn't the place, and I'm sure a religion thread (although posted before) might be what you are trying to express.

 

[swan]

This is an excellent point, but I'd like to add something to it. Relating to your earlier question of "If you eat greasy fatty foods and die from a heart attack is it suicide? What about knowingly smoking Cigarettes? etc." - I don't think it is, and the reason is that I think there are two (possibly more, but just two for my point) kinds of people.

Firstly, those that know it's bad, and watch how/what they eat, do not smoke because they know it can kill etc. And the other kind, who do it anyway (eat shit diets, smoke etc.) knowing it's bad for them, but because they don't immediately feel the effects, they think they can get by until they start to feel bad and quit. But, by that time, they're hooked, and changing means changing their entire lifestyles which is often too hard... I speak for myself, because I have a bad diet, and I know it's bad for me, but I currently find it way too hard to change... I'm making small steps, but not enough change and not fast enough

I think there's a major point that hasn't been discussed yet, and that is intent.
IMO, if you smoke a pack a day with the intent to kill yourself, then it's suicide. if you do it because of an unfortunate addiction or just because you like the feeling/taste/whatever, regardless if you are aware of the health consequences, if the intent isn't there i wouldn't call it suicide.
if i try to do something to kill myself that couldn't possibly kill me (assuming ignorance of that fact), that is still attempted suicide.

...sorry that was a little off the topic of bullying

 

[TurboTaco]

the topic is suicide, ur good swan.

 

[Discodude]

I was just going on the examples given.

 

[Leroy]

religion = biggest trollbait ever.

 

[Mulletzorz]

I'll go down fighting if I have to. no way am I gonna give up working hard so I can afford Beer/Drugs and Sex, I enjoy life too much to even think of such things.