Suicide

[zackychuu]

Some people are born into sin. Some people dont get to live past the age of 0. Some people are hungry and are forced to do bad things just to survive.

Personally I find it funny when Religious people start to talk about how God loves every body in the world equally, and then things like this are still happening every day.
Don't want to turn this into a discussion on religion, it just amuses me that people can say 'God loves, and treats every body equally' without thinking about all of the people in the world who are put through crap on a daily basis, and all they did was be born.

 

[Cock]

If this life really is some sort of of game to determine who the good and bad souls are, and the scoreboard somewhere in the clouds dictating whos getting into heaven or hell, and its based on the decisions the we make. Than I for one am royally pissed off that we don't all get to start at the exact same point. Some people are born into sin. Some people dont get to live past the age of 0. Some people are hungry and are forced to do bad things just to survive.

I can't like this post enough.

 

[Steve]

Everyone has the right to die. Religion's views on suicide are about as ______ as their views on Gay marriage and other topics.

(fill in the blank for yourself however you feel.. so I'm not breaking any forum rules).


As far as the whole drug topic that has sprung up in this thread: There is no 'right' 'wrong' 'better' or 'worse' way to live and experience life. But I pity anyone who goes their entire life without ever trying some of the amazing experiences that can come from drug use. Drug experiences =/= stereotypical degenerate drug life style

 

[Glocky]

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, albeit if a temporary problem is ignored long enough, it could be a permanent problem I suppose. My cousin and I were comparing notes about growing up, and I was complaining about my old man (we don't really get along) and he put it into perspective for me, "You don't have it any better or any worse than any one else, you just have it different."
Now if you take that figuratively instead of literally, it really helps avoid the "oh woe is me, I have life so bad" syndrome.

I won't get into any of the back and forth that's here, but I will part with this, if you are having suicidal thoughts, or are even working through any mental issues (panic attacks, anxiety, depression, etc.), do yourself a favour and get help. Keep those problems temporary, don't let them become permanent or life degrading. Everyone needs help at some point in their life for something, there really should not be any stigma for getting help from a counselor, psychologist, or psychiatrist. Nobody wanks on an athlete for going to a trainer or a sports psychologist, so it really shouldn't be any different for us "normal" people who aren't making millions.

 

[zackychuu]

"You don't have it any better or any worse than any one else, you just have it different."

That is the single best way I have ever seen that explained.


Honestly, I used to have suicidal thoughts as a kid, I just wanted to die.
I was bullied from the age of 5 to 9 in school. Constantly. Every single fucking day. And I hated my life.
Now, a 5-9 year old being driven into having suicidal thoughts by his peers is just disgusting. At the time I thought it was the thing I wanted, but now I look back, I hate those fucking ass holes. Even more so than I did back then.
I even broke my parents hearts quite a few times. I was meant to be a twin, but my other twin died, and through out my Primary School life, I would shout "I wish I was the other Twin". I never thought about it much, but now I'm older I can see how that would have hurt my parents quite a bit.

All of that aside, I'm relatively happy with my life now. I moved on to a different school at the age of 10, made some new friends, only 4 other people from my old school came with me to the second school, so I basically had a fresh start. I even made friends with one of the kids that would bully me.

After that school, we moved up again to an even bigger school, a lot more students. Low and behold, the main guy that used to bully me all those years back was there. But my, he was scared of me. Every time we locked eyes he would look away, he barely ever crossed paths with me, and best of all, he was still a fat twat.

So what you said is right Glocky, suicide is just a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Once the problem is gone, there is nothing to worry about, and you basically realise that thinking you wanted to kill yourself is just stupid.

 

[iCe]

Getting drunk and taking drugs is not my idea of experiencing what life has to offer.[/quote]


That is your perogative but don't knock it. Nothing wrong with going out having a good time and whoring it up.

 

[thomastronics]

Suicide is the cheap way out. Life has its ups and it's downs and to think by ending your life people will "realize" or whatever is just garbage. Take a step back. Take a different view at your problems. Imagine your George Bailey from It's a wonderful life.

Suicide is selfish and coward-like. That's just my opinion.

 

[Leroy]

Some people can't see this though, whether due to a crushing personal crisis or temporary mental impairment.

I'm with Glocky. Seek help, it is there for you.

 

[OG buckshot jr]

Being a kid and enjoying ones life is totally different, from smoking 1+ pack a day of Cigs or downing a bottle of vodka a day.

Kids are sort of the exception here only because they believe they are untouchable and invincible. They can't really comprehend the idea of death, which why most want to die at 30 yet change their minds later.

This is an excellent point, but I'd like to add something to it. Relating to your earlier question of "If you eat greasy fatty foods and die from a heart attack is it suicide? What about knowingly smoking Cigarettes? etc." - I don't think it is, and the reason is that I think there are two (possibly more, but just two for my point) kinds of people.

Firstly, those that know it's bad, and watch how/what they eat, do not smoke because they know it can kill etc. And the other kind, who do it anyway (eat shit diets, smoke etc.) knowing it's bad for them, but because they don't immediately feel the effects, they think they can get by until they start to feel bad and quit. But, by that time, they're hooked, and changing means changing their entire lifestyles which is often too hard... I speak for myself, because I have a bad diet, and I know it's bad for me, but I currently find it way too hard to change... I'm making small steps, but not enough change and not fast enough

 

[$alvador]

i really don't think i have time in my own life to give a fuck about how slow or fast other people are killing themselves. i care about when i'm gonna die and the shit i plan to accomplish by then and making a fuss about other peoples' habits just robs from the time i have. i don't wanna get all "story of my life" but i've been a drug abuser for a loooong time and do give a shit about my health so it would suck like a bitch to die of an OD and be judged by people who might just die two days later from completely unforseen heart disease.

 

[Rams]

15 Year Old Girl Committed Suicide Because Of Getting Bullied.Some people just can't take it anymore and therefore can lead suicidal thoughts. People doing drugs and eating greasy foods its hard to change as it is addicting. At the end though we are going to die anyways not matter what we do. Anything can happen at anytime.

 

[TurboTaco]

feel bad for the girl, didn't think she'd have to kill herself...sometimes you just feel the world closing in on you with no way out except one which was what happened in this case I guess.

 

[Shortbus]

15 Year Old Girl Committed Suicide Because Of Getting Bullied.Some people just can't take it anymore and therefore can lead suicidal thoughts. People doing drugs and eating greasy foods its hard to change as it is addicting. At the end though we are going to die anyways not matter what we do. Anything can happen at anytime.

This is nothing new and yet i dont see anything being done to prevent this.

Georgia Family Blames 11-Year-Old Boy's Suicide on Severe Bullying

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517470,00.html

Mitchell Wilson bullying case: Not-guilty verdict for accused attacker
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cri...-case-not-guilty-verdict-for-accused-attacker



It angers me hearing/reading shit like this because i have 2 young nephews myself and just hope they never have to go through stuff like this in school... and if they do, instead of going to such extreme measures, they seek help/talk to others about it instead.

 

[Rams]

True ^ I have never seen schools talk about bullying or do anything to prevent it. When i was in elementary teachers were apart of it from my experience. They put you down rather than helping you. Schools should focus more on the effects of bullying and how to prevent it IMO. Its really hard to cope with it and it just destroys the person. Which probably can also lead to drug usage and eating unhealthy. Anything can happen depends on how we deal with the issue.

 

[TurboTaco]

If all or a majority of bullying led to suicide it would be addressed. Kids are cruel, and even bullying awareness will never prevent bullying from happening. It's a part of growing up. A majority of kids and teens learn to cope eventually (its instinctual survival skills), even if it fucks their psyches up and leads them to their own destructive path I don't agree bullying itself causes suicides. Some kids can learn to cope better than others and its the 'others' that need to have support services. The problem is, even it's readily available to them to seek out, they don't choose to for whatever personal reason and they continue down the suicidal path.

Fact is, we would have hundreds of thousands of kids committing suicide if bullying was the direct cause.

 

[zackychuu]

As I said earlier, I was bullied to the point of considering suicide back when I was younger.
But I grew up and realised that it would have been stupid to do that, to waste my life on some meaningless kids that didn't like me as I was growing up.

A lot of the time, bullying does lead to the person being bullied considering it, but only in a few minor cases does it get to the point where the person being bullied actually goes through with it.
Honestly it would have to be severely bad bullying for you to actually sit there and do it. That's a whole different level to just considering it IMO.

It isn't such a large number that we should hurry to make sure that every single kid is free from bullying, but it is still horrible. To see a young child decide that it is actually better to die than to have to put up with being bullied for another few years of school.

It makes you wonder though, what is happening in the bullies lives to make them want to take it out on other children.

 

[Steve]

15 Year Old Girl Committed Suicide Because Of Getting Bullied.Some people just can't take it anymore and therefore can lead suicidal thoughts. People doing drugs and eating greasy foods its hard to change as it is addicting. At the end though we are going to die anyways not matter what we do. Anything can happen at anytime.

You know, the most fucked up part of all this, is that the bullies didn't even get the worst punishment.

5 girls/guys were charged with misc bullshit for bullying her, but then a 6th guy, who didn't even bully her got charged with statuatory rape because they dated(fucked) while she was 15 and he was 17/18. His life will be forever changed also because of these stupid bullies.

crazy stupid fuckers everywhere in this world we live in.

 

[Dalton442]

This post is to everyone, specifically to Roach.
Do you really think God judges people by their good and bad deeds? In the bible the only person referred as someone after his own heart sinning, killed, even committed adultery. You think he went to heaven? Judged by the so called scoreboard, of course not. Why would someone like that go to heaven? Because he was forgiven of his sins. And not some people are born into sin, we all are. Everyone of us is born into sin. The people who die at age zero, should they go to heaven? Of course not. People who spend their whole life spreading God's word work for years for that one thing. By they spend no time. Why should they? Because they were never given a chance. But everyone else has. That makes it equal. Your life might not be, but your opportunity to have the greatest eternal life is. And maybe this post is some people's opportunity. They have to options: Seek me out and speak to me and I promise I will do whatever it takes to speak to anyone about God, but if you don't, I would please ask you, let other people make their own decisions about God. And if they believe, what does that do to you? You don't lose anything and my religion wins another soul. But anyway, enough about religion on a suicide forum.
My veiw on suicide: Once saved, always saved. Suicide is murder. Murder is a sin. Saved souls are forgiven of their sins. So, suicide, as bad as it is and as strongly as I disagree with it, can be forgiven if you have been saved.
An invitation: Anyone curious about God are invited to add me on steam or Skype if that suits you more.

 

[Rams]

We all are sinners and will always be

 

[Discodude]

We all are sinners and will always be

Pretty much.