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NYC - Hate speech on subway ads.

Steve

TD Admin | Bacon
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NEW YORK – A provocative ad that equates Muslim radicals with savages is set to go up in the city's subway system as violent protests over an anti-Islamic film ridiculing the Prophet Muhammad sweep over much of the Muslim world.

A conservative blogger who once headed a campaign against an Islamic center near the Sept. 11 terror attack site won a court order to post the ad in 10 subway stations next Monday. The ad reads, "In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad."
The ad was plastered on San Francisco city buses in recent weeks, prompting some artists to deface the ads and remove some of the words, including "Jihad," or holy war. The blogger, Pamela Geller, said she filed suit Thursday in the nation's capital to post the ad in Washington's transit system after officials declined to put up the ad in light of the uproar in the Middle East over the anti-Islam film.
Abdul Yasar, a New York subway rider who considers himself an observant Muslim, said Geller's ad was insensitive in an unsettling climate for Muslims.

"If you don't want to see what happened in Libya and Egypt after the video -- maybe not so strong here in America -- you shouldn't put this up," Yasar said.
But "if this is a free country, they have the right to do this," he said. "And then Muslims have the right to put up their own ad."

Geller, executive director of the American Freedom Defense Initiative and publisher of a blog called Atlas Shrugs, called an order by a federal judge in New York allowing the ads "a victory for the First Amendment" and said she wasn't concerned that her ad could spark protests like the ones against the depiction of Muslims in the video "Innocence of Muslims." Violence linked to the movie has left at least 30 people in seven countries dead, including the American ambassador to Libya.

"If it's not a film it's a cartoon, if it's not a cartoon it's a teddy bear," she said. "What are you going to do? Are you going to reward Islamic extremism? I will not sacrifice my freedom so as not to offend savages."

New York police aren't anticipating adding any security to subways when the ads go up and have received no threats or reports of violence relating to them, chief spokesman Paul Browne said.
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority in New York initially refused to run Geller's ad, saying it was "demeaning." But U.S. District Court Judge Paul Engelmayer ruled last month that it is protected speech under the First Amendment.

"Our hands are tied," MTA spokesman Aaron Donovan said. "Under our existing ad standards as modified by the injunction, the MTA is required to run the ad."
Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, backed publication of the "patently offensive" ads.

"More offensive would be their censorship because that would violate the guarantee of free expression of all ideas regardless of how distasteful they are," she said.
Geller said the subway ads cost about $6,000. Donovan said they will be up for a month.
Opponents say the ads imply that Muslims are savages.

"We recognize the freedom of speech issues and her right to be a bigot and a racist," said Muneer Awad, the executive director of the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
But he said he hopes elected officials and the MTA, which runs the nation's largest mass transit system, "take on a leadership role in denouncing hate speech."

Geller, as head of a group called Stop Islamization of America, helped spur a monthslong campaign two years ago to remove a planned Islamic community center blocks from the World Trade Center site, which she called the "ground zero mosque." Plans to build a larger center are pending, although Muslims still have regular prayer services at a mosque in the building.

When the ad ran in San Francisco from Aug. 13 to Sept. 4, transit officials took the unusual step of running disclaimers on the sides of the buses, while some artists painted over "Jihad" or photoshopped pictures that said instead, "Defeat Racism."
Geller's group has also placed ads in Metro-North Railroad stations north of New York City that read: "It's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism."

The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority hadn't seen Geller's lawsuit on Thursday, spokesman Dan Stessel said. The agency told Geller the ad would be "deferred" because of the ongoing violence in the Middle East, he said.

"To be clear, we have not rejected the ad," Stessel said, but "merely asked the advertiser to be sensitive to the timing of the placement out of a concern for public safety, given current world events."
 

OG buckshot jr

TD Admin
This is super interesting. I honestly can say that I don't disagree with her [Geller]. I can see her intent is to attack and highlight only the extremists, however her ads may be interpreted as being more broad.

I do like how aggressive she is regarding the matter, as well: "I will not sacrifice my freedom so as not to offend savages." I think this woman is incredible, and I would support her. Imagine attempting something like this in the Middle East.. I'd be cut into parts and burned alive. Freedom for Canada and America are imperative, regardless of other world influences and cultures - and this is where and why I must agree with her ideas. Zero sacrifice in the name of that which seeks to censor.

One thing I find funny is how Muslim organizations always play so neutral, calm and almost buddhist-like in their response to criticism. Meanwhile, they always refuse to recognize the various groups they have set up that advertise and encourage - even pressure - people into the ideas of things such as extreme conservatism and the idea that a woman who is raped is only at fault for having it happened, not her attacker. It's things like this that make me think twice and try to gain even more insight into what, exactly, is going on. It also makes me look at someone like Geller with far more tolerance.
 

$alvador

TD Member
The problem with Islam is the same as the problem with Judaism and Christianity; it brainwashes people and paves the road to fervour and mass hysteria like what's unfolding in the Middle East right now over this fucking film on YT. There's nothing we can do but treat everyone with the same respect we'd like to get back while carving out our own little enclaves from where to watch the world burn as all the ignorant, stupid people of the world ruin all of civilization in the name of a God that doesn't even exist to give a shit.
 

iCe

TD Admin
The problem with Islam is the same as the problem with Judaism and Christianity; it brainwashes people and paves the road to fervour and mass hysteria like what's unfolding in the Middle East right now over this fucking film on YT. There's nothing we can do but treat everyone with the same respect we'd like to get back while carving out our own little enclaves from where to watch the world burn as all the ignorant, stupid people of the world ruin all of civilization in the name of a God that doesn't even exist to give a shit.


Lol treat everyone with the same respect? I don't see Christians bombing embassies over a movie, or suicide bombing in the name of jesus.

NEVER FORGET ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE
 

Cock

Cockilicious
Staff member
Lol treat everyone with the same respect? I don't see Christians bombing embassies over a movie, or suicide bombing in the name of jesus.
NEVER FORGET ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE

Not everyone has forgotten about the Christian Crusades.

Christianity was a Religion of peace back then as well, just as long as you weren't an infidel.
 

TurboTaco

TD Admin
Actually, in regards to what Cock said, Christian crusaders were way more barbaric and 'evil' in terms of how they treated the enemy. Christian crusaders would execute by beheading all surrendered or conquered enemies. If they were to lose a castle or key area, they would raze it to the ground. Burn homes and crops, poison water and wells by dumping death into them, and raping women and murdering children.

Comparatively, the muslims were pretty damn honorable (for the most part) in regards to treatment of prisoners and land. For instance, surrendered Christian crusaders weren't getting their heads lopped off into big piles by the Muslims. In fact, they were obliged to give food and drink to those captured AND help wounded soldiers by giving them treatment. Also it was against their 'terms of engagement' to poison water, to raze properties, and to destroy crops and livestock let alone raping and murdering women & children.

I mean, if you think about this, back in the 1000s-1300s, this type of treatment was pretty damn ahead of its time. Just a thing to think about when people compare how 'bloodthirsty' muslims vs christians are based upon their past history. I'm pretty sure Christianity takes the cake for having a really shitty upbringing when it came to treatment of others.
 

Cock

Cockilicious
Staff member
Just a thing to think about when people compare how 'bloodthirsty' muslims vs christians are based upon their past history. I'm pretty sure Christianity takes the cake for having a really shitty upbringing when it came to treatment of others.

Yup,
 

iCe

TD Admin
Where did I state I practice religion? Do I believe in God , Yes? Do I go to church on sunday and read the bible? No.

Your bringing up something from 1000 years ago. Times have changed in retrospect, but killing over this nonsense its disgusting (NOW IN THE CIVILIZED WORLD).
 

Leroy

2012 Troll of the Year
People have been killing people for a multitude of reasons since the dawn of time.

Now with mass-media, the news just travels faster.
 

Cock

Cockilicious
Staff member
Where did I state I practice religion? Do I believe in God , Yes? Do I go to church on sunday and read the bible? No.
America as a country, Believes in the Bible. I should have made that statement more clear.

how ever this is interesting, do you believe in Jesus?

Your bringing up something from 1000 years ago. Times have changed in retrospect, but killing over this nonsense its disgusting (NOW IN THE CIVILIZED WORLD).

So when was the slate of murder and death magically wiped clean?
Again, we are talking about 2000+ year old religions that have been battling for as long as they have been around.

Christian American's some how expect Muslims to just forget everything Christianty has done in the past and it isn't going to happen.
 

iCe

TD Admin
America as a country, Believes in the Bible. I should have made that statement more clear.

how ever this is interesting, do you believe in Jesus?



So when was the slate of murder and death magically wiped clean?
Again, we are talking about 2000+ year old religions that have been battling for as long as they have been around.

Christian American's some how expect Muslims to just forget everything Christianty has done in the past and it isn't going to happen.

Love this post?

So blacks today should get reparations and payments for things that they didnt even experience? Please stop... People today had nothing to do with the crusades. To top off your argument- the US being mostly christian as you stated, should go to war and destroy all muslims?
 
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