Wikileaks

[marinerevenge]

[quote1292812544=iCe]
There is no such thing as human rights... you really are dumber that I thought... WHO GAVE YOU RIGHTS?... And no one is protecting you? Tell that to the Marines/Army/Airforce/Navy.... they will do you a favor a give you a nice beating is what you really need.

Btw Stealing is illegal so by them doing that they are punishable of espoinage which is death....


You are def a wierd emo fuck.

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They are not protecting me. They are protecting the interests of the government.

Also, who gives a fuck if it's stolen property? He's serving the greater good by providing truth to the world.

Just because something is 'against the law' doesn't mean it's not okay to do.

It used to be a law that black people weren't allowed to use the same restrooms or sit in whatever seats they chose on the bus. Does that mean racism is ok?

No it fucking doesn't. Law means shit. Things should be perceived as they are, not how others tell you to perceive things.

Step outside the 'fox news' line of thinking for a minute.

 

[sir-drek]

Just throwing it out there too, the 250,000 US Cables were leaked by a an Army PVT. Wikileaks just published it, which is legal. So whether or not you like what they're publishing technically they shouldn't be charging Assange with treason and whatnot. If they do, why didn't they charge the NY times for running the piece outta a CIA spy?

 

[OG buckshot jr]

+1 Drek. The only one at fault here is the Army kid - the kid who got a just a BIT of insight into the corruption, and made a serious move to get that info to us...

 

[BIOP]

What corruption? I haven't read the site at all, but on the news and radio and such I always hear something along the lines of "American cabinent minister so and so mocked the Pakistani leader in 2008". Stuff like that being leaked is solely for the purpose of trying to ruin inter-country relations, which could lead to war. Which is why I think the wikileaks owner is a fucking scumbag. What corruption has been brought to light from wikileaks?

 

[TurboTaco]

More government transparency and culpability is not a bad thing. The free access of information is a right of all people who live within a representative democratic country. Governments shouldn't be able to do anything they want, legal/illegal, ethical/unetical, moral/immoral and keep it hidden from public view. The interwebs is an awesome tool that helps prevent some people or organizations with power, from thinking they can do or say whatever they want without being noticed. Wikileaks and whistleblowing journalists/humanitarians with back-bones help remind us that freedom of speech is a very under-appreciated and under-valued liberty we have.

The fact that an American has the liberty to say "Fuck this government" is one of the reasons people flee to North America.

As for wikileaks releases, just read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_published_by_WikiLeaks

A lot of the US diplomatic cables are nothing more than just 'scouting' reports highlighting areas of interest for different nations/leaders. Sometimes they are mocking, sometimes they are clean and clear cut.

I hate how the focus is so much on the American info leaks, considering wikileaks releases info from a variety of topics/nations/organizations.

 

[marinerevenge]

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What corruption? *snip*
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There is a lot of junk that goes along with it, Of course. But there is also a lot of revealing shit to be found. The kind that gets governments all up in bunches - like the US is now.

 

[BIOP]

[quote1292819142=MarineRevenge]
[quote1292818823=BIOP]
What corruption? *snip*
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There is a lot of junk that goes along with it, Of course. But there is also a lot of revealing shit to be found. The kind that gets governments all up in bunches - like the US is now.
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I am asking for specifics. Was their something specific released that shows corruption in our government or the US government? Or is everyone just saying that?

I could check it out myself, I really have no interest in doing so though, it is a bunch of garbage in my eyes.

 

[BIOP]

[quote1292819502=TurboTaco]
More government transparency and culpability is not a bad thing. The free access of information is a right of all people who live within a representative democratic country. Governments shouldn't be able to do anything they want, legal/illegal, ethical/unetical, moral/immoral and keep it hidden from public view. The interwebs is an awesome tool that helps prevent some people or organizations with power, from thinking they can do or say whatever they want without being noticed. Wikileaks and whistleblowing journalists/humanitarians with back-bones help remind us that freedom of speech is a very under-appreciated and under-valued liberty we have.

The fact that an American has the liberty to say "Fuck this government" is one of the reasons people flee to North America.

As for wikileaks releases, just read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_published_by_WikiLeaks

A lot of the US diplomatic cables are nothing more than just 'scouting' reports highlighting areas of interest for different nations/leaders. Sometimes they are mocking, sometimes they are clean and clear cut.

I hate how the focus is so much on the American info leaks, considering wikileaks releases info from a variety of topics/nations/organizations.
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Good post, +1.
I would have a lot more respect for the wikileaks guy if he actually published only moral and ethical issues. But he doesn't, he publishes that mixed with garbage. Someone hacked Sarah Palins email account, and he published that. He publishes meaningless politicians mocking other meaningless politicians. My main problem with it, is that he is publishing with the intent on being destructive, not with the intent of doing a good deed.

 

[hockeyfan611]

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[quote1292819502=TurboTaco]
More government transparency and culpability is not a bad thing. The free access of information is a right of all people who live within a representative democratic country. Governments shouldn't be able to do anything they want, legal/illegal, ethical/unetical, moral/immoral and keep it hidden from public view. The interwebs is an awesome tool that helps prevent some people or organizations with power, from thinking they can do or say whatever they want without being noticed. Wikileaks and whistleblowing journalists/humanitarians with back-bones help remind us that freedom of speech is a very under-appreciated and under-valued liberty we have.

The fact that an American has the liberty to say "Fuck this government" is one of the reasons people flee to North America.

As for wikileaks releases, just read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_published_by_WikiLeaks

A lot of the US diplomatic cables are nothing more than just 'scouting' reports highlighting areas of interest for different nations/leaders. Sometimes they are mocking, sometimes they are clean and clear cut.

I hate how the focus is so much on the American info leaks, considering wikileaks releases info from a variety of topics/nations/organizations.
[/quote1292819502]

Good post, +1.
I would have a lot more respect for the wikileaks guy if he actually published only moral and ethical issues. But he doesn't, he publishes that mixed with garbage. Someone hacked Sarah Palins email account, and he published that. He publishes meaningless politicians mocking other meaningless politicians. My main problem with it, is that he is publishing with the intent on being destructive, not with the intent of doing a good deed.
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I agree with you 100% BIOP. If wikileaks stuck to releasing only stuff that had to do with transparency I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it. All the cables that have US politicians saying "insert country here is not doing enough in insert global event here" are pointless and meant only to knock the Americans down in international standing. That could probably apply to almost every country, with the exception of maybe the Brits. If I said I thought Julian Assange was a scumbag, is that newsworthy? If 2+ billion people agreed with me, is that newsworthy?

MR - You say the military is not protecting you; they are protecting the interests of the government. Lets say the military did not exist. What would stop a foreign government, say China or Russia, from deciding they want to annex the US? Isn't the fact that you have a military a deterring factor for those that would want to invade the US? Wouldn't that mean the government has the population of their nation somewhere on their interests totem pole? It may not be as high as people would like it, but it is still there.

 

[marinerevenge]

[quote1292828335=hockeyfan611]


MR - You say the military is not protecting you; they are protecting the interests of the government. Lets say the military did not exist. What would stop a foreign government, say China or Russia, from deciding they want to annex the US? Isn't the fact that you have a military a deterring factor for those that would want to invade the US? Wouldn't that mean the government has the population of their nation somewhere on their interests totem pole? It may not be as high as people would like it, but it is still there.
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I understand the point you are making, but the truth is that you and I could die, along with many others, and nobody would care. We would just become another statistic.

Such is the mentality within the government. We hold no individual worth, we are not respected on any level other than 'we are needed to keep businesses and such running, and the economy flowing'.

If american citizens die, the biggest interest the gov. takes in it - is how they can best spin the events to benefit themselves in one way or another.

 

[hockeyfan611]

[quote1292830552=MarineRevenge]
[quote1292828335=hockeyfan611]


MR - You say the military is not protecting you; they are protecting the interests of the government. Lets say the military did not exist. What would stop a foreign government, say China or Russia, from deciding they want to annex the US? Isn't the fact that you have a military a deterring factor for those that would want to invade the US? Wouldn't that mean the government has the population of their nation somewhere on their interests totem pole? It may not be as high as people would like it, but it is still there.
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I understand the point you are making, but the truth is that you and I could die, along with many others, and nobody would care. We would just become another statistic.

Such is the mentality within the government. We hold no individual worth, we are not respected on any level other than 'we are needed to keep businesses and such running, and the economy flowing'.

If american citizens die, the biggest interest the gov. takes in it - is how they can best spin the events to benefit themselves in one way or another.
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Yeah, I agree with that. As individuals people hold almost no worth. The government doesn't want it to happen, but if it does all they need to do is say they mourn the person and move on. They could care less at this point.

They really don't give a damn until it comes to large groups of people, because that is when the economy will start to get affected. To protect the large groups everyone is given basic blanket protection.

They don't really care if a few people get killed in these large groups, but they will do their best to protect the majority because, like you said, it's in their best interest to keep you alive for the sake of industry and commerce.

Ultimately only you can protect yourself, but the military is still there to protect the whole to the best of their abilities (which is impossible when you think of the numbers).

 

[TurboTaco]

Can you boys stop leading the conversation away from what my point is? I don't think some of you even know much about wikileaks, it's content, and the organisation's intentions. My point is being diluted with off-tangent comments. Get the NA, USA, western politics/war stuff out of here. Those issues are something else on their own and would make an endless thread.

I am talking about freedom of speech; being free to share information as well as receive it; not having to fear your government or another imposing their will through ILLEGAL means.

The internet, wikileaks, journalists, concerned citizens, citizen journalists, etc. These tools, organisations, and people are showing governments, companies, military, banks, that they can't ALWAYS get away with things anymore. That is a good thing. Access to that type of important and critical information should not be blocked because one group deems it 'sensitve'.

 

[marinerevenge]

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Ultimately only you can protect yourself, but the military is still there to protect the whole to the best of their abilities (which is impossible when you think of the numbers).
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I could (in the context of everything else said so far) agree to that. Cheers.

 

[OG buckshot jr]

[quote1292850773=TurboTaco]
Can you boys stop leading the conversation away from what my point is? I don't think some of you even know much about wikileaks, it's content, and the organisation's intentions. My point is being diluted with off-tangent comments. Get the NA, USA, western politics/war stuff out of here. Those issues are something else on their own and would make an endless thread.

I am talking about freedom of speech; being free to share information as well as receive it; not having to fear your government or another imposing their will through ILLEGAL means.

The internet, wikileaks, journalists, concerned citizens, citizen journalists, etc. These tools, organisations, and people are showing governments, companies, military, banks, that they can't ALWAYS get away with things anymore. That is a good thing. Access to that type of important and critical information should not be blocked because one group deems it 'sensitve'.
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+1 On your last sensitive. This is why everyone's hating wikileaks, because he "mixes garbge with no relevance with actualy worthy informatiom" (quote from no one in particular, general feeling feeling I got). Assange expained, in an interview, that Wikilelaks' goal is to publish unbiased, unedited information - something is done nowhere else. I love that, I can do my own homework, see ALL the shit, and conlude wt I conclude, whereas CNN will decide for me what is right and wrong.

People are angry now because they have to work a little to see what time it is, and I think thats lazy man...

 

[iCe]

I love the fact that of most of the people posting in favor of wikileaks are the same ones that are "entitled". Entitlement is not owed to anyone.

You are not entitled to rights b/c you are human. I'd love for some of you to go to china and tell the government you are entitled to have as many children as you want. Or go to the middle east and talk that religion is useles. You will be shot on site.

Since you live in the "free" world its ok. Freedom comes at a price. Why dont you step into reality and take a look at what you are posting, with your entitlement ideas.

And MR you Fuck the System mentality makes you look like a selfish, tool. Stop with the garbage posting. Theres no valid argument for fuck the system, you have not served your country in anyway, you are just as bad supporting this garbage as the people putting it out.

 

[Roach]

Ice...You are entitled to know what your country is doing with your tax money. You are entitled to know waht your government is doing with your countries troops, being as theya re paid with your tax money and consist of your kin. You are entitled to know how your country is being portrayed to the national scene..as actions taken by others will later influence how other countries view you. You are entitled to not be viewed by every other country on the planet as a bunch of trigger happy faggots.

The fact that you have the "War is war and in war people die" attitude scares me. You dont care what the war is about or what caused it, whos benefitting, whos dying. Its just war...

MJ Save us all.

 

[iCe]

[quote1292856381=Roach]
Ice...You are entitled to know what your country is doing with your tax money. You are entitled to know waht your government is doing with your countries troops, being as theya re paid with your tax money and consist of your kin. You are entitled to know how your country is being portrayed to the national scene..as actions taken by others will later influence how other countries view you. You are entitled to not be viewed by every other country on the planet as a bunch of trigger happy faggots.

The fact that you have the "War is war and in war people die" attitude scares me. You dont care what the war is about or what caused it, whos benefitting, whos dying. Its just war...

MJ Save us all.
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Because you pay taxes you are entitled? hahahhaha

This form of entitlement points right to you roach, because you pay taxes you get to live in a home in the country you reside. You dont deserve shit.

Grow up and live in reality, get out of your fantasy peace on earth bs, and I am a human so I have rights. You sound dumb. Theres nothing that says you have a god given right to live how you want, go to some Island or 3rd world country then and live under your own rules since your "entitled" to know what goes on, and then come back and see how much you care to know since you are "entitled"

 

[Roach]

Do you know what democracy is ice? I never said "You are human threfore you have rights"

And yes, because you pay taxes you are entitled to know where your money is going. What is hard to understand about that?

And yeah in my happy fantasia land ...peace on earth homo. Are you pro war? You sound dumb. Theres a reason why I put a canadian flag on my luggage when I travel..so nobody confuses me with somebody like you.

DRIVE STRAIGHT AND TURN TO THE LEFT SOMETIMES!

 

[iCe]

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Do you know what democracy is ice? I never said "You are human threfore you have rights"

And yes, because you pay taxes you are entitled to know where your money is going. What is hard to understand about that?

And yeah in my happy fantasia land ...peace on earth homo. Are you pro war? You sound dumb. Theres a reason why I put a canadian flag on my luggage when I travel..so nobody confuses me with somebody like you.

DRIVE STRAIGHT AND TURN TO THE LEFT SOMETIMES!
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I am not pro war but have realized that War is necessary for many reasons.

And you can keep your Canadian Flag, because the WHOLE WORLD knows you would be speaking German if it wasnt for the US you dumb fuck.

 

[Roach]

[quote1292858348=iCe]
[quote1292857664=Roach]
Do you know what democracy is ice? I never said "You are human threfore you have rights"

And yes, because you pay taxes you are entitled to know where your money is going. What is hard to understand about that?

And yeah in my happy fantasia land ...peace on earth homo. Are you pro war? You sound dumb. Theres a reason why I put a canadian flag on my luggage when I travel..so nobody confuses me with somebody like you.

DRIVE STRAIGHT AND TURN TO THE LEFT SOMETIMES!
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I am not pro war but have realized that War is necessary for many reasons.

And you can keep your Canadian Flag, because the WHOLE WORLD knows you would be speaking German if it wasnt for the US you dumb fuck.
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Are you implying that the US won WW2 for everyone by dropping a bomb on a bunch of civs? It was an allied effort. Lets not get into what the WHOLE WORLD knows about whos nation.