Who decides what the rules are ?

[Tiki]

So i have noticed that people have been debating the rules with other moderators. mostly regulars. They all say how locate said this and locate said that. So im wondering if locate knows more than everyone else or what. Some examples are like the time i heard that one of the mods needed a middle man and the person he asked to mm declined saying " no no locate said that only mods are allowed to middle man " i know that the person had full right to decline but the reason behind that seemed off. there was a moment also when one of the regulars told someone that locate had said you cant hang around in spectate mode on the server. or when i heard locate said he doesnt allow people to spy crab at some times of night ( when the other half of the world is online ). i mean i know mods have their own way of doing things but when people constantly debate with other mods what the rules really are just because " locate said so ". It doesnt seem right. whats the deal here

 

[HappySticks™]

Without reading your post into great detail. Many regulars were arguing about @Locate "banning" Tux the Titan from spycrabbing which stirred up a lot of controversy.

I have also heard about the spectator thing Locate brought up but to my knowledge there is no such rule.

Hmm..

 

[DARKLY | Pixar's Ham]

There's a ton of other "unofficial" rules that I've heard of, like not being able to Sticky-Camp even though it's not that OP to begin with compared to the spawn camping that usually goes on in the servers anyways.

 

[Matthew]

There's a ton of other "unofficial" rules that I've heard of, like not being able to Sticky-Camp even though it's not that OP to begin with compared to the spawn camping that usually goes on in the servers anyways.

I've heard this as well, not sure what the deal is with all these rules coming out of no where, but I'm just going by the book.

 

[DoubleJumper]

ive had quite a few people contradict me to tell me some rule ive never heard about.

 

[Wrexxman]

I have heard CMP say that Sticky-Camp is not allowed. It is impossible to make and enforce a rule for every possible situation.

 

[Cmp™]

Speaking somewhat officially here, anything that is not written in the rules is technically allowed, but think of it this way: when we do our server events, and some asshat starts sniping the participants, he's technically not breaking any rules. Yet we still don't allow it. Why? Because the person is interfering with the majority of the others from enjoying the server. That's why I godmode in and destroy nests sometimes. Camping is a part of the game, but when you purposely block people from genuinely playing the map for long periods of time, I will step in and I will have no problem doing it.

I have heard CMP say that Sticky-Camp is not allowed. It is impossible to make and enforce a rule for every possible situation.

I did say this, yes, but since then, I have learned that it is not a rule. Annoying as hell, yes, but not a violation of the rules. As for sentry camping and "dick sniping," same thing. Not a rule, but a really annoying way to play that typically pisses a lot of people off. However, this also goes back to stopping people from enjoying the map. If attempts are made to get past the camping and it cannot be realistically broken, then I will break it myself with godmode.

As a rule of thumb, I would recommend that if a Mod or Admin tells you to stop doing something, you should stop. If necessary, you can ask to speak with them privately to explain their reasoning, but either way, you can rest assured that they have the best interests of the server in mind.

As for Locate☣ banning Tux the Titan from Spycrabbing, you'd have to ask him about that. I have no knowledge of that going on (though I can see where comes from). Tux is a little possessive of the Mic at times, particularly during his spycrabbing.

The sentry camping on the new map will be resolved as soon as possible. Despite what I originally thought, it is damn near impossible to break through the higher nests. The map is still somewhat "in progress." I'm going to adjust the lighting, fix the sentry camping on the platforms and just tidy up the map in general, in addition to finding an alternative to the spycrab booth dilemma.

In case you are unaware, Locate has recently been promoted to Admin so he can, by rank, overrule a Mod's decision. Personally, I typically strive to advise rather than just straight up overrule. It helps promote collaboration among the ranks instead of the Mods being worried about having their decisions thrown out. The Mods are the main present force for the servers.

 

[Wrexxman]

I did say this, yes, but since then, I have learned that it is not a rule. Annoying as hell, yes, but not a violation of the rules.

Thanks for this, will no longer say that Sticky-Camping is against the rules.

 

[Tiki]

I understand that some rules are to help the server but a lot of these rules don’t make sense. I don’t see how they help the server i notice that if a mod is the only one mm there will be less runners/scammer but not letting people crab at some times of night does not make any sense. I feel like these rules might be making this hard for mods. I have watch someone tell Darkly | Doublejumper that only that only mods can middleman witch made this person to contradict the mod. These rules might be confusing some people and cause them to contradict some mods. The point I’m trying to make here is before locate was an admin he made up alot of rules and now there are people telling other people. “you can’t do that it’s against the rules " and when a mod says otherwise they disagree saying " I heard locate say this " it’s one thing to tell someone to stop. It’s another to say “this isn’t allowed on the server “it cause chaos and confusion between what the rules are. And the other mods are getting the impact of it because they don’t have as much influence/respect that the regulars give locate so they trust his word as final. I’m not trying to call locate out but these are the examples I have. I fell like these rules that are coming out of no where could become a problem.

 

[Mizz]

just dont be a dick
theend

 

[zackychuu]

one of the mods needed a middle man and the person he asked to mm declined saying " no no locate said that only mods are allowed to middle man "

Anybody is allowed to MM for a Spycrab, but both parties involved in the crab have to agree to that person.
You do not even have to use a MM for a spycrab, it is merely recommended that you do.
As for Mods/Admins being MM, that is only a recommendation too. It's not set in stone.
If one of the parties involved in the spycrab does not want a MM, I suggest not crabbing. If one person insists on a certain person and no one else, even after the recommendation of a Mod or Admin, I suggest not crabbing.
The rules are set in place to protect those who do not want to get scammed, but again, they are only recommendations. We cannot force players to use a MM if they do not want too, and we cannot force players to use a Mod or Admin as a MM.
But in those situations where a MM is not used, the crab should be watched by a Mod or Admin incase something goes wrong.

there was a moment also when one of the regulars told someone that locate had said you cant hang around in spectate mode on the server.

This is somewhat true and somewhat false. Obviously staying in spectate and being afk for hours is wrong. Why? Because that is one less spot that could be used for someone who actually wants to play or trade on the server.
But if a person is sat in spectate and talking/trading with people, that isn't against any rules because they are still active and trading on the servers.
There is a difference between hogging a server spot for no good reason, and just sitting in spectate mode because thats what you prefer.

locate said he doesnt allow people to spy crab at some times of night

This is stupid. Not a rule at all. Everyone can crab whenever they want too.

 

[shoottomaim]

titsboozebeer

Aren't the TF2 servers idle as well O_o

 

[zackychuu]

Aren't the TF2 servers idle as well O_o

Idling in spawn is fine.

 

[DarkPaladinPrime]

If a moderator is enforcing a ridiculous rule that is not in the actual rules call them out on it but if its something like sticky camping just let it be and listen to them. If I was stuck in the spawn I would be annoyed with the camping so don't judge them if they do.

 

[E1ite]

This kinda stuff always happens on essentially every server and here is my personal take on things. There will always be basic rules that are set in stone that you must abide by and are the core of the server. However, I think that some rules are left on because they are meant to be handled appropriate to the situation you know what I mean? Like some mods do things differently than others and that is ok, I am not saying that I justify locate but I think he meant no harm. An example is there is no rule about mm having to be staff because I think it depends on who the the people crabbing are. I am just saying every moderator does things like a little differently and you just have to go with it. Like paladin said if it is ridiculous talk to them about it but otherwise just kinda go with it.

 

[Wrexxman]

If a moderator is enforcing a ridiculous rule that is not in the actual rules call them out on it but if its something like sticky camping just let it be and listen to them. If I was stuck in the spawn I would be annoyed with the camping so don't judge them if they do.

I like to deal with spawn camping by teleporting to the VIP room and chill'in

 

[DoubleJumper]

I feel like the point tiki is trying to make here is that there is a problem with who people listen to. In my personal experience ive tried to tell someone something and have them reply to me saying " i dont think so cause . . . " and i feel he has a point that if everyone listens to one person because he has influence it makes it a bit hard. ofcourse locate is an Admin now and has more power andi am fine when people say " locate said this " i am in a lower position so i let him call the shots. but if a mod ( not just locate ) would say other rules and people tooks it as the SET IN STONE type deal and you told them otherwise yet they called bullshit on that. It wouldnt be right.

 

[DarkPaladinPrime]

I feel like the point tiki is trying to make here is that there is a problem with who people listen to. In my personal experience ive tried to tell someone something and have them reply to me saying " i dont think so cause . . . " and i feel he has a point that if everyone listens to one person because he has influence it makes it a bit hard. ofcourse locate is an Admin now and has more power andi am fine when people say " locate said this " i am in a lower position so i let him call the shots. but if a mod ( not just locate ) would say other rules and people tooks it as the SET IN STONE type deal and you told them otherwise yet they called bullshit on that. It wouldnt be right.

Well Spoken sir

 

[DoubleJumper]

Well Spoken sir

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[DarkPaladinPrime]

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