Sir X losing mod?

[DarkPaladinPrime]

I had an issue today on server #3 and requested help with it from Sir X. He said he wanted too help but he said he could not because he lost his mod powers. From his stand point he lost powers because one "Purifier" complained to Fiend about it and Fiend all of a sudden took his powers away. I want the full story from both sides and I want to know why this was done in the first place.

 

[Mizz]

mod stuff

 

[Cmp™]

As Mizz so wisely said, this is a staff issue. If you want to know more details, you'll have to ask Fiend if he's willing to tell you.

Please do not demand any sort of answers though. You are not entitled to anything and have no right to demand any sort of explanation.

 

[Fiend]

You can demand whatever you want but, honestly, it's not your business nor concern. If he is your friend, feel free to talk to him about it. If you want to discuss things with me, you can add me on steam, no problem. I won't, however, discuss details of an issue that did not involve you but did involve our staff.

 

[DarkPaladinPrime]

Sir X is a good friend I have the right to know why he lost his moderator privileges. If there was a good reason behind him losing his powers then I would very much like to know what that reason was however, I can not just accept one side of the story I added you Fiend with hopes that can you provide your side of the story.

 

[DARKLY | Pixar's Ham]

Honestly though, three staff members gave some pretty straightforward answers. Like they said, you can PM them on Steam and they'll decide what to tell you.

 

[Wrexxman]

Speaking from experience, "just PM them", does not mean that you will get an answer. Straight up truth is the best. All this secrecy will just lead to whispers and rumors which will quickly get out of hand and cause more damage than providing the facts.

 

[Mizz]

From his stand point he lost powers because one "Purifier" complained to Fiend about it and Fiend all of a sudden took his powers away.

You already seem to know what happened

 

[DarkPaladinPrime]

You already seem to know what happened

I want the other side of the story mizz no just sir's side of it. What sir says could be true however I need to here both sides before making a judgement. Read the full thing next time.

 

[Mizz]

I think its kinda obvious what the possible reasons are:

"Not responsible enough"
"Complaints from players"

or something along the line

We're not gonna say "He was too good for mod powers"

 

[Cmp™]

Ok, I'm putting a stop to this.

DarkPaladinPrime, Fiend has already made it clear that he will not share his reasoning for demoting Sir X. That is entirely within his rights to do and does not concern you in the slightest. It is none of your business. Period.

Regarding the concerns with secrecy, it's not like we're plotting your demise on the servers. Sir X is more than welcome to take part in the servers, just as he did before he was a mod. He just won't have the abilities of a Mod. He chose to leave Darkly and TF2 and as sad as that makes me, it is his decision. Just like it was Fiend's decision to demote Sir X. Do I agree with the decision to demote Sir X? Not entirely, but I have an absurd amount of trust and respect for Fiend and I feel confident he knows what he's doing. Therefore, I will support him. That doesn't mean I hate Sir X. I'm very good friends with Sir X and have been for awhile.

If you have been demoted or denied a Moderator position, it's not because we hate you. It's because we didn't feel you were ready at that time. Depending on the situation, you may get the information you want by approaching an Admin who may answer you or redirect you to someone who can. But you will never get the information you want by demanding it, especially when if it doesn't involve you.

 

[DarkPaladinPrime]

Ok Cmp I understand your anger in the whole matter with this situation I do, but it is my business. I am making it my business because Sir X is a good friend and I find myself thinking what the heck could of happened that would cause Sir X to be demoted. I am not asking for all the details that led to it, I am not asking for who said what, I am only asking what was the EXACT REASON he got demoted. If Fiend does not want to give that reason then I find his demotion unjust and unfair. If he gives me a fair reason why I will respect it and drop the subject.

 

[Wrexxman]

None of our business.

You ask for admin/mod applicants to police YOUR servers (and deal with personal attacks) and file reports when nobody with powers in online or available. There are constant messages on the servers asking people to apply for mod and yet people are denied for no reason or on a whim. Active/great mods (like Sir X) are stripped of powers while there are several other admins/mods who are never on, always AFK or only come active to participate in a spycrab and then go back to being AFK/offline. On top of all that, you expect people to donate $$$ and items to help keep the server running.

We play on Darkly servers and all try to make it some of the best servers on TF2. We (players and admins/mods) all put in time and effort and being told that it is "None of our business" makes it a little personal. I would suggest taking out the application process for admin/mod and make it by invite only.

Feel free to delete me forum account at your leisure.

 

[Rams]

There was an issue and it was discussed before taking his mod powers away. Fiend handled it the best way possible. simple as that.

 

[Cmp™]

Wrexxman
We ask, yes, but we don't require it. We ask for help because we can't be everywhere at once. But at no point was any sort of contractual agreement made where we would be transparent in decisions that involved staff members. So I'm not sure why you feel owed this transparency.

I can assure you that no applicant has ever been denied "on a whim." As for your own application, it was not communicated to me why you were denied, which is exactly why I told you to ask Gatherix, because I didn't know. I encourage people to add me so in case there are troublemakers, I can jump on and help.

For the record, we aren't insulting the time that Sir X put in nor are we disrespecting the players that make reports, such as yourself. I've always done my best to show appreciation. Only 3 mods were demoted since the beginning of the year, one of which I have the ability to share because it was already made public knowledge.
LudicrousA was demoted and banned for using a map exploit that he planted.
Bird of Pray and Sir X were dismissed for reasons that I am not able to share because I don't have all the facts and I didn't make the decisions.

If you want your forum account deleted, you will need to contact Shotgun Jesus or Low Budget about that. I have no control over forum accounts.

DarkPaladin, what you're asking for is what you already have, as Sir X told you, though not in the correct degree. The situation with Purifier happened over a month ago. Sir X was demoted yesterday. It wasn't instantaneous. Do a little research yourself before jumping to conclusions. Beyond that are details that do not concern you.

So I will say it again, if Fiend chooses to share his reasons, that is up to him, but do not demand an explanation you are not owed.

 

[14bux]

This whole thing has gotten out of hand. Most likely, the reason Sir X: is demoted is a privacy issue. The reasons behind staff demotion aren't supposed to be public, otherwise the people who report things a mod is doing have a chance to be attacked by others for reporting. Furthermore, it's a staff demotion. The purpose behind a demotion/promotion are for the people who decide on things like that, we're not here just to inflate and deflate ego.


I understand where you're coming from, Wrex, but you have to realize there's a face behind every screen. We aren't just robots programmed to host spycrabs and mute spammers, we have lives and physical responsibilities, be it school or our jobs. We can't be on at all the times of the day, but we give our all. While it's appreciated when we get help from regulars with this, we don't always have the time to deal with everything. I see your frustration with what you and other regs put into this server and not knowing the stuff that happens behind the curtains, and I know how you feel. However, some information isn't right for anyone but the staff to hear. In the past, we've made entire flame threads over that very thing, and I certainly wouldn't want something like that to ever happen again. Staff has both the curse and privilege of deciding what info gets out and what doesn't, and it's all in good conscience.

 

[Mizz]

People apply if they believe they are ready.
There is feedback from all players, then stuff between the staff.
No app has been denied instantly/ without a good reason.

All mods try to go on as much as they can, it's just that Sir X apparently has more free time than us.

This isn't a job, and I'm pretty sure people have more important stuff than TF2.

 

[Gatherix]

The characteristics that make up the ideal staff member are not (in our opinion) universal. We pick our staff based not exclusively on characteristics that would be considered positive of a potential staff member, but more than anything else simply how well they fit here. Every TF2 community has a unique atmosphere, Darkly included. It amazes me when players consider themselves foundational members of Darkly and then vehemently complain about things like profanity; there are other communities that better suit those preferences. We have standards we want to maintain among our staff and among our servers, and we pick staff who we believe will inherently perpetuate those standards.

If Fiend does not want to give that reason then I find his demotion unjust and unfair. If he gives me a fair reason why I will respect it and drop the subject.

You don't need to think the decision fair or respect it, you can think whatever you like.

 

[Mizz]

gatherix super srs wao

 

[shoottomaim]

Ok Cmp I understand your anger in the whole matter with this situation I do, but it is my business. I am making it my business because Sir X is a good friend and I find myself thinking what the heck could of happened that would cause Sir X to be demoted. I am not asking for all the details that led to it, I am not asking for who said what, I am only asking what was the EXACT REASON he got demoted. If Fiend does not want to give that reason then I find his demotion unjust and unfair. If he gives me a fair reason why I will respect it and drop the subject.

...why don't you just ask him...