I average ping around 60ms, but experience choke sometimes in the 20s (if alot of stuff is happening). Lately it seems to be getting worse. Sometimes I can set my cl_cmd/updaterate to 50/50 and be great (on other servers I play 100/101), and sometimes I can go as low as 25/30 and still get gobs of choke. Loss is 0 99.99% of the time. I dont know if it's my router maybe. All I can say is that the problem has been getting worse over the last week. (I have a 25Mb/s service (14 MB/s actual). Not Bell, so I know I am not being traffic shaped. I wouldn't say it was this server, but every other server I connect to I don't seem to have a problem. Regardless, this server rocks and it is still my first choice. I just wish I knew more about this stuff (I have read your earlier post Prop) so I could fix it.