Is It Racist To Hate America?
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thomastronics
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I agree with this. The bearish market will turn bull soon and you need to be expose to equities. Fixed income and interest rates are garbage, talk about loss of purchasing power. I don't think buying into a single stock will do you a justice though iCE. If you work in the financial industry you should know that diversification and the spread of risk will benefit you in the long run (retirement).
They should just let the fiscal cliff go. Raise the debt ceiling and start making budget cuts. Best way for American's to hold less Gov't Debt.
Rebuild, Adjust, Maintain.
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iCe,
You're working and supporting your family, you're making good coin and you put your kid in private education. Tomorrow your boss tells you that he is moving the company to China and that after 10 years he's letting you and everyone else go.
You need to find a replacement job but you're competing with the other 100 fags that just got laid off along with you. You find some job opportunities in your field but they don't pay well and even with your experience you're not given the salary that you need because remember that those 100 fags are fighting for the same spot, and some of them might not have kids to put through school, or mortgages, or car loans, and they settle for a lower wage just so that they could have some work.
All of a sudden you find yourself having to accept a lower wage.. so what do you sacrifice? Your car, your house, your kids education? You need your house cuz you need a place to live. You need your car because work is 50 kilometers away and you don't have a public transit option because its not VIABLE enough.
So you can your kids school and put him in public that's a few blocks down.
A few months go by and everything seems okay, then the first report card comes in and you're not too pleased, so you take a more active role in your kids education and start looking at what he/she is learning. You realize that they are using 10-15 year old textbooks, the quality of homework assignments is laughable and your kid doesn't seem to really know anything. You go to a PTA meeting and meet your kids teachers and are horrified that they look like someone that gave up on life, let alone teaching. They don't care, their school is underfunded, they teach the bare minimum, and they don't give a rats ass whether your kid actually gets the material or not. The school has no sports team, no clubs, no extracurricular activities. The teachers punch in at 3:30 and go home, some before the students. The only person left in the school after 4pm is the janitor, and they don't stick around for too long cuz they don't get paid enough to give a fuck.
So where are the good teachers? THEY ARE OVER IN THOSE PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT YOU CAN"T AFFORD. Not because you're a shitty worker, but because your old boss decided to pull the plug on you, and it will be at least a few years before you can get back on your feet.. assuming everything goes well, and that's a big risk to take. All the while your kid is getting a shitty education and getting in with the wrong crowd. Now you need to make a decision, you try to sell your home to get some equity so that you can put your kid in a good school but wait a second, OHH OHH, your house is now worth LESS than what you OWE for it. Your car's lease is coming up. And your new boss doesn't want to give you a raise.
What are you gonna do?
NOTHING, you're going to sit there like a pansy and take it cuz it's all YOUR fault... RIGHT?
WRONG.
That is why we have social programs, that is why a nation MUST invest into easily accessable and high quality PUBLIC education. To get the best teachers you need high salaries, the private schools are paying for them, so if a regular school pays the same wage they'll stick with the public schools.
You realize that as a %, you'll pay less to support a high level of public education than you would paying for your kid individually? The same thing of capital amplification that happens in corporations will happen with education.
Explain to me, iCe, how you can justify paying 10 grand a year to put your kid in a private school, but object to paying 1 grand a year so that every kid in your area can have a chance at a quality education.
The reason you get mugged by a 14 year old is because that 14 year old is not in school getting educated, but you don't give a fuck so long as your kid is in school.
You don't see any problem with this? Seriously?
You're working and supporting your family, you're making good coin and you put your kid in private education. Tomorrow your boss tells you that he is moving the company to China and that after 10 years he's letting you and everyone else go.
You need to find a replacement job but you're competing with the other 100 fags that just got laid off along with you. You find some job opportunities in your field but they don't pay well and even with your experience you're not given the salary that you need because remember that those 100 fags are fighting for the same spot, and some of them might not have kids to put through school, or mortgages, or car loans, and they settle for a lower wage just so that they could have some work.
All of a sudden you find yourself having to accept a lower wage.. so what do you sacrifice? Your car, your house, your kids education? You need your house cuz you need a place to live. You need your car because work is 50 kilometers away and you don't have a public transit option because its not VIABLE enough.
So you can your kids school and put him in public that's a few blocks down.
A few months go by and everything seems okay, then the first report card comes in and you're not too pleased, so you take a more active role in your kids education and start looking at what he/she is learning. You realize that they are using 10-15 year old textbooks, the quality of homework assignments is laughable and your kid doesn't seem to really know anything. You go to a PTA meeting and meet your kids teachers and are horrified that they look like someone that gave up on life, let alone teaching. They don't care, their school is underfunded, they teach the bare minimum, and they don't give a rats ass whether your kid actually gets the material or not. The school has no sports team, no clubs, no extracurricular activities. The teachers punch in at 3:30 and go home, some before the students. The only person left in the school after 4pm is the janitor, and they don't stick around for too long cuz they don't get paid enough to give a fuck.
So where are the good teachers? THEY ARE OVER IN THOSE PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT YOU CAN"T AFFORD. Not because you're a shitty worker, but because your old boss decided to pull the plug on you, and it will be at least a few years before you can get back on your feet.. assuming everything goes well, and that's a big risk to take. All the while your kid is getting a shitty education and getting in with the wrong crowd. Now you need to make a decision, you try to sell your home to get some equity so that you can put your kid in a good school but wait a second, OHH OHH, your house is now worth LESS than what you OWE for it. Your car's lease is coming up. And your new boss doesn't want to give you a raise.
What are you gonna do?
NOTHING, you're going to sit there like a pansy and take it cuz it's all YOUR fault... RIGHT?
WRONG.
That is why we have social programs, that is why a nation MUST invest into easily accessable and high quality PUBLIC education. To get the best teachers you need high salaries, the private schools are paying for them, so if a regular school pays the same wage they'll stick with the public schools.
You realize that as a %, you'll pay less to support a high level of public education than you would paying for your kid individually? The same thing of capital amplification that happens in corporations will happen with education.
Explain to me, iCe, how you can justify paying 10 grand a year to put your kid in a private school, but object to paying 1 grand a year so that every kid in your area can have a chance at a quality education.
The reason you get mugged by a 14 year old is because that 14 year old is not in school getting educated, but you don't give a fuck so long as your kid is in school.
You don't see any problem with this? Seriously?
iCe
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First off I am not married with any kids. I went to public high school (by choice). There is nothing wrong with public education if a kid has a good house and is strong willed they will survive.
You forget the main problem here is the unions. If there was no union to back these hipster yuppie teachers, then they would be kicked the curb (which is a good thing). Fact is there is no reason to pay a teacher 80-90gs, which is what top pay in NYC is for public school teachers. They work about 6 months a year, and are off summers. Why do they deserve to get paid what someone in the finance industry gets paid for working 80 hrs a week? THEY DONT. Like I said I agree funding toward books and after school, but teachers give me a break. I have teachers in my family and I flat out tell them I would fire them and pay them peanuts because thats what they are worth.
As for the 14 year old not in school. If he decides to mug/rob/assult people he deserves to be shot in the face. The bullet is cheaper than his tuition and jail time. Why does shanayna have 7 kids in the projects and is on welfare, because democrats let them in exchange for their vote in the upcoming election. Its a joke. Look at florida people went nuts when they said they were going to drug test people on welfare. Fucking hammers. You cannot save everyone so save the ones worth saving. (Yes people do deserve welfare, like disabled and mentally retarded, not the fucking reapers who are too fat and lazy).
You forget the main problem here is the unions. If there was no union to back these hipster yuppie teachers, then they would be kicked the curb (which is a good thing). Fact is there is no reason to pay a teacher 80-90gs, which is what top pay in NYC is for public school teachers. They work about 6 months a year, and are off summers. Why do they deserve to get paid what someone in the finance industry gets paid for working 80 hrs a week? THEY DONT. Like I said I agree funding toward books and after school, but teachers give me a break. I have teachers in my family and I flat out tell them I would fire them and pay them peanuts because thats what they are worth.
As for the 14 year old not in school. If he decides to mug/rob/assult people he deserves to be shot in the face. The bullet is cheaper than his tuition and jail time. Why does shanayna have 7 kids in the projects and is on welfare, because democrats let them in exchange for their vote in the upcoming election. Its a joke. Look at florida people went nuts when they said they were going to drug test people on welfare. Fucking hammers. You cannot save everyone so save the ones worth saving. (Yes people do deserve welfare, like disabled and mentally retarded, not the fucking reapers who are too fat and lazy).
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Ice
Please explain your reasoning for not wanting to pay 100 grand to a highly educated person to spend 8 hours a day TEACHING. Teaching is ten fold more difficult than any office job you can imagine, a good teacher has to find an approach to each student, day in and day out, year after year, grade after grade.
The quality of these teachers is the foundation of all future learning. Teachers should be the most highly paid positions in any country.
The reason teacher quality right now is SHIT is because no one wants to be a teacher, the pay is too low and the philanthropic reward is just not good enough. But if teachers were as highly paid as Doctors, then the standards would be raised, people would take the profession seriously, you would need more than a 6 month certificate from some basement to be able to teach.
More teachers would mean smaller classrooms, smaller classrooms means more focused studies resulting in higher levels of education.
Again, how do you justify paying millions of dollars to people that flip imaginary stock but not even 60 grand to a person that will ensure that your child grows up to be a success in life.
KIDS ARE NOT BORN SMART, by ignoring the education system you are leaving your kids success to PURE CHANCE.
Please explain your reasoning for not wanting to pay 100 grand to a highly educated person to spend 8 hours a day TEACHING. Teaching is ten fold more difficult than any office job you can imagine, a good teacher has to find an approach to each student, day in and day out, year after year, grade after grade.
The quality of these teachers is the foundation of all future learning. Teachers should be the most highly paid positions in any country.
The reason teacher quality right now is SHIT is because no one wants to be a teacher, the pay is too low and the philanthropic reward is just not good enough. But if teachers were as highly paid as Doctors, then the standards would be raised, people would take the profession seriously, you would need more than a 6 month certificate from some basement to be able to teach.
More teachers would mean smaller classrooms, smaller classrooms means more focused studies resulting in higher levels of education.
Again, how do you justify paying millions of dollars to people that flip imaginary stock but not even 60 grand to a person that will ensure that your child grows up to be a success in life.
KIDS ARE NOT BORN SMART, by ignoring the education system you are leaving your kids success to PURE CHANCE.
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shut the fuck up, you faggot eating, dick wanking mother fucker.
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Fork I differ from ice on the topic of education, but here little opinion on it.
The current public system(us AND canada) is complete garbage. The teachers are shit. Paying them more alone will not fix this cluster fuck.
Before you increase teacher pay and taxes the system must be fixed. It is not fixed simply by pumping money into it like you seem to believe.
Put your kids in private school. Derp. That is after all where most of the good teachers are right now.
The current public system(us AND canada) is complete garbage. The teachers are shit. Paying them more alone will not fix this cluster fuck.
Before you increase teacher pay and taxes the system must be fixed. It is not fixed simply by pumping money into it like you seem to believe.
Put your kids in private school. Derp. That is after all where most of the good teachers are right now.
iCe
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Did you read how much a teacher makes in NYC (80,000-100,000). If they worked a FULL YEAR like everyone else, then not a single fuck would be given, but they don't. You want it all man. I'm willing to compromise here. More money on books and extra, but nothing for teachers. Money does not grow on trees man.
Your valuing way too much on lower education. Pre-school/middle school is day care besides teaching a kid to read and right. Kids can learn more things that will affect them by playing GTA then a teacher telling them right and wrong. High school should be shaping kids for a career path, but they dont.
I can justify flipping imaginary stock because it produces money, unlike teaching and the education system which works through government funds hence taxes.
Your valuing way too much on lower education. Pre-school/middle school is day care besides teaching a kid to read and right. Kids can learn more things that will affect them by playing GTA then a teacher telling them right and wrong. High school should be shaping kids for a career path, but they dont.
I can justify flipping imaginary stock because it produces money, unlike teaching and the education system which works through government funds hence taxes.
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like i said,i fail to see the logic of thinking it's fine to throwing 10K a year for 10 years to put your kid through school than to spend 1000K a year for 50 years to allow everyone in your neighborhood a chance at quality education.
I've been avoiding saying much in this because I don't want to interject in this awesome discussion.
Regardless of what everyone else here thinks, people like talking/fighting/arguing Don't like it? Don't read it
This entire augment is based on your experience of ..... nothing, you never worked as a teacher.
Please take care of 4 classes of 30+ kids. Your idea that they only work 6 months is based on?? shit all.
They also work closer to 75 hours a week, but of course iCe the amazing know-at-all has a better idea of "reality".
I love these topics because it allways comes down to this:
Left wants to help everyone. equality, and support for all of society.
Right wants to help themselves. Purely "survival of the fittest" tactics.
Regardless of what everyone else here thinks, people like talking/fighting/arguing Don't like it? Don't read it
This entire augment is based on your experience of ..... nothing, you never worked as a teacher.
Please take care of 4 classes of 30+ kids. Your idea that they only work 6 months is based on?? shit all.
They also work closer to 75 hours a week, but of course iCe the amazing know-at-all has a better idea of "reality".
I love these topics because it allways comes down to this:
Left wants to help everyone. equality, and support for all of society.
Right wants to help themselves. Purely "survival of the fittest" tactics.
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iCe you think teaching is easy? Ever tutor anyone in your life? I mean really tutor, for 8 hours a day 8 months out of the year. Ever tutor a dumb kid? How about a kid with a chip on his shoulder, someone that throws a stapler at you or scratches your car, ever have to deal with that?
you sit in an office and punch numbers all day long and you have the nerve to spit on teachers? fuck you.
iCe
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I've been avoiding saying much in this because I don't want to interject in this awesome discussion.
Regardless of what everyone else here thinks, people like talking/fighting/arguing Don't like it? Don't read it
This entire augment is based on your experience of ..... nothing, you never worked as a teacher.
Please take care of 4 classes of 30+ kids. Your idea that they only work 6 months is based on?? shit all.
They also work closer to 75 hours a week, but of course iCe the amazing know-at-all has a better idea of "reality".
I love these topics because it allways comes down to this:
Left wants to help everyone. equality, and support for all of society.
Right wants to help themselves. Purely "survival of the fittest" tactics.
Explain how to help everyone. Please Im dying to know.
And everyone is not equal. However we all do have an equal shot to succeed.
iCe
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Lol please there are hardships for every profession. If a kid acts out something should be done, and if it is left alone well it is soley your fault. There are professional ways to handle situations. I sit around and punch numbers lol. I deal with more money daily than all of us will see in ten life times. Clients yelling, and one thing wrong its my ass and a ton of money. Stop with your numbers nonsense. Like I said there are problems with every profession. I have the nerve to spit on teachers because like steve said paying them more won't change them. COF is extremely left and says only by your expierence. What a joke. He lives in a fantasy land with no killing, everyone makes the same money and life is good. Blah
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