Frame Rate Decrease on CSGO
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everyth1ng
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OG buckshot jr
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It's been discussed here. I haven't noticed a framerate drop, just jaggedy-ass gameplay, but then again that's been GO since the beginning.
I really wonder what the fuck kind of computers people have if GO is dropping FPS lol
I really wonder what the fuck kind of computers people have if GO is dropping FPS lol
everyth1ng
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Core i7 920 @ 2.67Ghz
Radeon HD 4870 X2
6G of DDR3
I was getting 200+ frames per second in Crossfire before the Arms Deal update. Now I have to disable Catalyst A.I in order to get 90-180 FPS, but it's incredibly unstable. My game stutters every time an enemy appears on my screen. This game requires a stable, high frame rate.
Radeon HD 4870 X2
6G of DDR3
I was getting 200+ frames per second in Crossfire before the Arms Deal update. Now I have to disable Catalyst A.I in order to get 90-180 FPS, but it's incredibly unstable. My game stutters every time an enemy appears on my screen. This game requires a stable, high frame rate.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
I think this is your biggest issue, at the moment. From my experience, Counter-strike is a cpu-whore. I think if you overclocked a little bit, say to 3.0Ghz, you should notice quite the stability increase.
If you're running on a stock CPU cooler and are not technically inclined, I do not advise you to do so, but if you are I think you'd benefit a lot.
everyth1ng
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I have a massive heat sink on top of my CPU, and I have 5 fans in my Cooler Master case. I do not, however, have any experience overclocking. I'd like to learn, though.
And yeah, you're definitely right about CS:GO being CPU dependent. All Source engine games have been this way to date. So annoying.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Good shit! Spend a day or two reading this, just so that you build some confidence and understanding in terms of what you're actually doing and you'll be a pro in no time. It's kid-science.
http://www.overclock.net/t/538439/guide-to-overclocking-the-core-i7-920-or-930-to-4-0ghz
Enjoy!
everyth1ng
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Thanks a lot, man. Will do.
everyth1ng
DARKLY Regular
Yeah, I'm definitely going to overclock my CPU within the next day or two - perhaps even tonight. I'm still just gathering information and trying to learn this as quickly as I can. That guide is very useful. I'm probably going to aim for 3.5Ghz because I don't have a water cooler, but I'll check my temps and see how things go.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Absolutely. My main goal when overclocking is getting the highest clock possible without going over a certain voltage/heat combo. What, exactly, high voltage is will vary for each cpu and heat, I always do 55-60C MAX under full 100% syntehtic load (actual load no matter what you may be doing will be less, guarenteed). Test for stability, don't be lazy. And you'll be gold
everyth1ng
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Absolutely. My main goal when overclocking is getting the highest clock possible without going over a certain voltage/heat combo. What, exactly, high voltage is will vary for each cpu and heat, I always do 55-60C MAX under full 100% syntehtic load (actual load no matter what you may be doing will be less, guarenteed). Test for stability, don't be lazy. And you'll be gold
Yeah, this is great advice. I'll keep this in mind.
everyth1ng
DARKLY Regular
Okay, big success! I've managed to get exactly what I wanted out of my i7 920. Using the 19X CPU Clock Ratio (because 20X wasn't producing any results, and there is no option for 21X for some reason), I've managed to overclock to 3.5Ghz. My idle temp is between 48-51C. When playing CS:GO, the temp is between 54-57C. I didn't do any tests for stability, because I'm lazy :P Nah, just kidding. I'll probably run some tests tomorrow when I wake up.
In terms of CS:GO performance, my frame rate has increased significantly, and there's much more stability. I'm still getting strange chokes when lots of stuff is happening, but I'm sure that things will improve when I'm finally able to run the game in Crossfire again. This probably wasn't the solution you were looking for Snap, but I'll be back to playing in the TD server on Friday. Thanks again for your help, BJ.
In terms of CS:GO performance, my frame rate has increased significantly, and there's much more stability. I'm still getting strange chokes when lots of stuff is happening, but I'm sure that things will improve when I'm finally able to run the game in Crossfire again. This probably wasn't the solution you were looking for Snap, but I'll be back to playing in the TD server on Friday. Thanks again for your help, BJ.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Cold, I'm glad to hear, however I'm concerned with your idle temperature. That's far too high for idle temperature... Few reasons why:
- voltage is too high (you can try reducing bit by bit while keeping same speed, see when it fails, that's your lowest voltage for that speed)
- you disabled intel speedstep (for an overclock that's not a max overclock, you should keep it on, it will help keep cool when you're not gaming)
- use CoreTemp to monitor temps, it's the most accurate.
- voltage is too high (you can try reducing bit by bit while keeping same speed, see when it fails, that's your lowest voltage for that speed)
- you disabled intel speedstep (for an overclock that's not a max overclock, you should keep it on, it will help keep cool when you're not gaming)
- use CoreTemp to monitor temps, it's the most accurate.
everyth1ng
DARKLY Regular
Yeah, I was wondering if I should enable speedstep again. Thanks. I'll put this back on right away. Should I also put back on C1E?
And I'll look into lowering the voltage today. I have a 1000W power supply, so I wasn't too concerned about breathing room. I also thought that 48-51 idle was pretty good, but you think that I should be concerned about a temperature like that. Well, you probably know better than I do.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
No, leave C1E disabled, it's nonsense.
What did you put your voltage on to achieve your 3.5Ghz speed? Did you base it off of someone else's overclock, or just left it on auto?
Either way, you should definitely look into the voltage (monitor the voltage within Windows via CPU-Z, or within BIOS). Note, BIOS will have a slightly different reading, however it's more accurate and compensates for vDroop (don't worry about this).
It's not about voltage being used by your PSU, it's because CPU's can operate anywhere from 1-1.5V, so very small increments in voltage will make a difference. Example: at 3.5Ghz, you could be using 1.3V and idle @ 48C. However, you might be able to drop to 1.2V and idle @ 34C and still have 3.5Ghz (these aren't actual values for you, I've just made them up as an example).
Take some time and refine your overclock over time. The idea is this: keep your target speed while using the lowest possible voltage while maintaining stability.
Lowest Voltage + Stability = Best Overclock/Lowest Heat per Speed. Basically.
What did you put your voltage on to achieve your 3.5Ghz speed? Did you base it off of someone else's overclock, or just left it on auto?
Either way, you should definitely look into the voltage (monitor the voltage within Windows via CPU-Z, or within BIOS). Note, BIOS will have a slightly different reading, however it's more accurate and compensates for vDroop (don't worry about this).
It's not about voltage being used by your PSU, it's because CPU's can operate anywhere from 1-1.5V, so very small increments in voltage will make a difference. Example: at 3.5Ghz, you could be using 1.3V and idle @ 48C. However, you might be able to drop to 1.2V and idle @ 34C and still have 3.5Ghz (these aren't actual values for you, I've just made them up as an example).
Take some time and refine your overclock over time. The idea is this: keep your target speed while using the lowest possible voltage while maintaining stability.
Lowest Voltage + Stability = Best Overclock/Lowest Heat per Speed. Basically.
everyth1ng
DARKLY Regular
Basically what I did was dial in the voltage settings for 4.0Ghz, but I then turned down bclk to 185X19 (I'm trying out 190X19 right now at the same temps). However, I think I played around with the voltage in the bios last night and forgot to write it down. I'm currently idling at 1.200 vcore in CPU-Z @ 49-50C.
EDIT: Yeah, I just checked my bios. I have vcore set at 1.25, QPI/VTT at 1.24, and CPU PPL at 1.8, DRAM at 1.7. So yeah, I turned some things down before I went to bed last night.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Voltages you can leave at auto:
- DRAM
- PLL
- QPI/VTT
Voltage to play with
- vCore
Once you get serious
- DRAM voltage - if you change speeds/timings of RAM, this can help you
- PLL - used to stabilize very high overclocks, but degrades lifespan of motherboard
- QPI/VTT - I'll be honest I'm not sure, and I've never played with it. I know I've read it before, but forgot about it. I've always hit good overclocks without messing with it, though.
**If you DO touch PLL, be careful and only push a bit of juice. I've read some wonky shit happen when people abused it lol
- DRAM
- PLL
- QPI/VTT
Voltage to play with
- vCore
Once you get serious
- DRAM voltage - if you change speeds/timings of RAM, this can help you
- PLL - used to stabilize very high overclocks, but degrades lifespan of motherboard
- QPI/VTT - I'll be honest I'm not sure, and I've never played with it. I know I've read it before, but forgot about it. I've always hit good overclocks without messing with it, though.
**If you DO touch PLL, be careful and only push a bit of juice. I've read some wonky shit happen when people abused it lol
everyth1ng
DARKLY Regular
Okay, good to know. I'll gradually start to lower my vcore over the next few hours and see what happens. I have to say, though, that I used to run my old Pentium 4 3Ghz CPU regularly at 70-80C, and it lasted for years, lol. I'm not saying that I would recommend that people should do this with expensive hardware, but 48-51C is a lot lower in comparison
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
That's a good experience, however note this: Each generation of cpu's have different architectures that can handle different ranges of temperatures. New chips have much higher clocks that use much smaller microarchitecture. This is relatively good for heat generation/dissipation, however that means that it can handle less of the extremes, as well. But, you're sitting at reasonable temps (minus the idle) so far, so you're ok in my books.
EDIT: Snap
- I feel like I've ignored you, man, I'm sorry.
Could you provide me with some hardware specs and config info (rates, interp etc) for GO? Maybe I could help.
EDIT: Snap
- I feel like I've ignored you, man, I'm sorry.
Could you provide me with some hardware specs and config info (rates, interp etc) for GO? Maybe I could help.