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BIOP
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I haven't seen any changes in anything at all. I make the same amount of money, everything costs the same as always, I don't know what everyone is talking about.
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Products are all the same. Cars, boats, houses, things of that nature are cheaper. Espescially if you get it second hand.
I haven't seen any changes in anything at all. I make the same amount of money, everything costs the same as always, I don't know what everyone is talking about.
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Products are all the same. Cars, boats, houses, things of that nature are cheaper. Espescially if you get it second hand.
dead mike
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everything at the grocery store is more expensive... but ive seen lulzy deflation in the real estate market from last summer to around christmas time haha... i'd estimate all houses went down about %25 in price.
imo if you handle it, extend every last drop of credit you can into real estate, supposedly toronto's population is gonna double in about the next 10 years and they arnt making any more land last time i checked.
imo if you handle it, extend every last drop of credit you can into real estate, supposedly toronto's population is gonna double in about the next 10 years and they arnt making any more land last time i checked.
[quote1247239995=iSeize]
i got an idea.
DON'T BUY A FOREIGN CAR.
problem solved.
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That's not the problem.
The problem is that American labor is a fucking joke. With unions there are people here who are getting paid $20-$30 an hour to weld. Sure, it's a skilled labor (to some degree... 2 years in a tech school and you're pro) but $30 an hour? Considering that one can live off of $12 + health benefits that's absurd. Not to mention that over seas they're probably pulling kids out of high school, giving them 6 months of training and paying them $8 an hour and they're putting out the same work.
People in North America want a whole lot of everything, especially super nice shit, and can't grasp that some things are just out of their reach. A lunch lady SHOULDN'T be able to buy a new car every year, and SHOULDN'T have a huge HDTV. Her contributions to society aren't the equivalent of the value of those items. There are people who collect welfare and have better shit than me, let alone people who do semi-skilled jobs. Where's the logic in that?
Sorry to all the lunch ladies and welders, they were just examples.
i got an idea.
DON'T BUY A FOREIGN CAR.
problem solved.
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That's not the problem.
The problem is that American labor is a fucking joke. With unions there are people here who are getting paid $20-$30 an hour to weld. Sure, it's a skilled labor (to some degree... 2 years in a tech school and you're pro) but $30 an hour? Considering that one can live off of $12 + health benefits that's absurd. Not to mention that over seas they're probably pulling kids out of high school, giving them 6 months of training and paying them $8 an hour and they're putting out the same work.
People in North America want a whole lot of everything, especially super nice shit, and can't grasp that some things are just out of their reach. A lunch lady SHOULDN'T be able to buy a new car every year, and SHOULDN'T have a huge HDTV. Her contributions to society aren't the equivalent of the value of those items. There are people who collect welfare and have better shit than me, let alone people who do semi-skilled jobs. Where's the logic in that?
Sorry to all the lunch ladies and welders, they were just examples.
First off, I think he was jokin' :) . I lol'd. You bring up a point, though.
Yes, unions are an economic destabilizer, and it may be easy to shit on them; especially when they protect the lazy and useless. I am not saying this to rebut your argument, because your mindset reflects the next generation of economic contributors.
This little bit of socialism they've woven into the fabric of our society is one of the largest contributors to why North America is often viewed as a beacon of light for other parts of the world.
The people of the first half of the twentieth century set a bar, and did so when it was not the easiest course of action. I agree with you, there has been some inflation of the concept in recent years. I still think it is important to maintain this, but I agree that a lot of the fat has to be trimmed and it will be, as dictated by the reformed global economy.
Things were puttering along just fine until the financial institutions grabbed a hold of an untested theory and drove the financial markets into a shit storm. This is probably why the lunch lady had a car every year and a new HDTV (to continue your example).
I think your overall point demonstrates our combined will to reach a new equilibrium, which will require sacrifices by all of us. I am completely on the same page. This was not a blue collar catastrophe, so we gotta protect the rights of our workers. Look at the Windsor and Toronto garbage strikes (to summarize), they are only fighting to keep existing coverage and plans, as far as I know they are not demanding anything new. It was those financial white collar cuntsucklers that caused this shit, and you don't see them on the news begging for work. Those bastards hide behind their money while our livelihoods pay the price.
Yes, unions are an economic destabilizer, and it may be easy to shit on them; especially when they protect the lazy and useless. I am not saying this to rebut your argument, because your mindset reflects the next generation of economic contributors.
This little bit of socialism they've woven into the fabric of our society is one of the largest contributors to why North America is often viewed as a beacon of light for other parts of the world.
The people of the first half of the twentieth century set a bar, and did so when it was not the easiest course of action. I agree with you, there has been some inflation of the concept in recent years. I still think it is important to maintain this, but I agree that a lot of the fat has to be trimmed and it will be, as dictated by the reformed global economy.
Things were puttering along just fine until the financial institutions grabbed a hold of an untested theory and drove the financial markets into a shit storm. This is probably why the lunch lady had a car every year and a new HDTV (to continue your example).
I think your overall point demonstrates our combined will to reach a new equilibrium, which will require sacrifices by all of us. I am completely on the same page. This was not a blue collar catastrophe, so we gotta protect the rights of our workers. Look at the Windsor and Toronto garbage strikes (to summarize), they are only fighting to keep existing coverage and plans, as far as I know they are not demanding anything new. It was those financial white collar cuntsucklers that caused this shit, and you don't see them on the news begging for work. Those bastards hide behind their money while our livelihoods pay the price.
DrUgZ
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you are right keeripes. I live in windsor and i am a union electrician. my mom is a former CUPE member for the city of windsor, she is now a supervisor of social services so she is still working (a retarded amount of hours i might add to make up for the strikers). but what the debate for our 2 month CUPE strike here in windsor here is for post retirement benefits. and i think some retro pay from the last contract agreement.
All i seem to hear these days is that unions are the root of all evil and that they are wrecking the economy. it really pisses me off but what can you do? people know everything even tho they are not in a union themselves. I just want to point out that unions arent all bad and without them we would not have alot of the things today that we take for granted. like the WEEKEND for example.
anyhow. i just want to point out that we have come a long way as a society over the years. people were buying union made products, and everything was good. then cheap foreign products flooded our market and people started buying those. now we are supporting other countries economies instead of our own and we are starting to feel the burn.
If I have a choice between 2 products, one being cheaper and made in china, and the other being more expensive, made in canada, i will pick the home made one every time. maybe if other people thought this way we would not be in this mess in the first place.
All i seem to hear these days is that unions are the root of all evil and that they are wrecking the economy. it really pisses me off but what can you do? people know everything even tho they are not in a union themselves. I just want to point out that unions arent all bad and without them we would not have alot of the things today that we take for granted. like the WEEKEND for example.
anyhow. i just want to point out that we have come a long way as a society over the years. people were buying union made products, and everything was good. then cheap foreign products flooded our market and people started buying those. now we are supporting other countries economies instead of our own and we are starting to feel the burn.
If I have a choice between 2 products, one being cheaper and made in china, and the other being more expensive, made in canada, i will pick the home made one every time. maybe if other people thought this way we would not be in this mess in the first place.
I would absolutely pay more for goods made on our soil, as long as it's an equal or better product. I'm not paying more for a ford than a honda when a honda is going to run twice as long and cost half as much to maintain. My dad owns a machine shop that does a lot of work for ford. I know how these things trickle down to affect everyone. The bottom line is that you can't reward people for doing sub-par work, and you can't overcompensate someone for their work.
Makes sense, Auron. Most of us think the same way, and it is simple: Buy the best, and most financially efficient product you can buy. I think the same way, and most of us do. Here's the problem though: How much of it is actually the workers fault? Again, I agree there are some that use our current system to squeeze out benefits they don't deserve. I respectfully disagree, however, that the workers are sub-par or that they are overcompensated. Product quality is enforced by the company, not its workers.
A Ford doesn't get shitty mileage because of the assembly line workers' ability to put in a window. It comes from the design team and profitability forecasting of the corporation; the white collar entity.
If our products were being edged out because we weren't producing enough to keep up with economic demand, then yes, blame the workers.
However, the products aren't being bought because they are geared towards the North American market, not the global one. Here's the funny part... They use the global economy to bring down costs, but refuse to react to the demands of the market itself.
They screw us, the environment and their workers and cry foul when no one buys their over-sized gas guzzling products. Cry to mommy government for money. 'We have to support our workers', they say. Yeah... Shift the blame on them, GM. 'The unions are pilfering our modest coffers for their own gain.' That's bullshit. GM et al. fucked up, and they want a do over. In the process use the workers to suck the government into giving them more money to make 'A new GM' commercials to run during the fucking Stanley Cup.
The Government is only funding these cunts to save the workers, and the corporations are using them to that end. AND THEY STILL MAKE SHITTY FUCKING CARS. The workers don't care, they just wanna work.
Lil' old Honda enters from stage right with a modestly priced, more economic vehicle. Now we the consumer are FORCED to undercut our own workers because we NEED to lower costs. I would love to buy Canadian/American all the time, but some products are sub-par when compared to those coming out of the global market.
Stand behind our unions. Buy the products that are best for you. Most of all we gotta make the motherfuckers pay for the stupid bullshit they have been pulling lately. We have to force them to acknowledge the consumers needs and make products that allow us to support our own workers. I don't mind supporting a Chinese or Mexican worker by buying one of their products as long as I am assured that some of our products are being bought over there. In order for that to happen they have to be economically viable.
TLDR: It's not the unions, the workers, or your buying choices that are the problem, it's the lack of economic viability of our products, which is the fault of the corporations. Incidentally they are the ones with all of the money, and deserve a fair chunk of the blame.
A Ford doesn't get shitty mileage because of the assembly line workers' ability to put in a window. It comes from the design team and profitability forecasting of the corporation; the white collar entity.
If our products were being edged out because we weren't producing enough to keep up with economic demand, then yes, blame the workers.
However, the products aren't being bought because they are geared towards the North American market, not the global one. Here's the funny part... They use the global economy to bring down costs, but refuse to react to the demands of the market itself.
They screw us, the environment and their workers and cry foul when no one buys their over-sized gas guzzling products. Cry to mommy government for money. 'We have to support our workers', they say. Yeah... Shift the blame on them, GM. 'The unions are pilfering our modest coffers for their own gain.' That's bullshit. GM et al. fucked up, and they want a do over. In the process use the workers to suck the government into giving them more money to make 'A new GM' commercials to run during the fucking Stanley Cup.
The Government is only funding these cunts to save the workers, and the corporations are using them to that end. AND THEY STILL MAKE SHITTY FUCKING CARS. The workers don't care, they just wanna work.
Lil' old Honda enters from stage right with a modestly priced, more economic vehicle. Now we the consumer are FORCED to undercut our own workers because we NEED to lower costs. I would love to buy Canadian/American all the time, but some products are sub-par when compared to those coming out of the global market.
Stand behind our unions. Buy the products that are best for you. Most of all we gotta make the motherfuckers pay for the stupid bullshit they have been pulling lately. We have to force them to acknowledge the consumers needs and make products that allow us to support our own workers. I don't mind supporting a Chinese or Mexican worker by buying one of their products as long as I am assured that some of our products are being bought over there. In order for that to happen they have to be economically viable.
TLDR: It's not the unions, the workers, or your buying choices that are the problem, it's the lack of economic viability of our products, which is the fault of the corporations. Incidentally they are the ones with all of the money, and deserve a fair chunk of the blame.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
[quote1247272460=Auron]
I haven't seen any changes in anything at all. I make the same amount of money, everything costs the same as always, I don't know what everyone is talking about.
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+1
The only ones who are feeling it are the "Big Three" because they make shit cars, the garbage workers because they suck dick and want the world for 3 hours of work, and the suits who steal all our monies anyway... so fuck 'em, let 'em go broke and out of business, I still make what I make.
I haven't seen any changes in anything at all. I make the same amount of money, everything costs the same as always, I don't know what everyone is talking about.
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+1
The only ones who are feeling it are the "Big Three" because they make shit cars, the garbage workers because they suck dick and want the world for 3 hours of work, and the suits who steal all our monies anyway... so fuck 'em, let 'em go broke and out of business, I still make what I make.
Ba Chicka Wa Wa
TD Member
I haven't even read through these yets but the unions protect the fucking lazy and its BS!!! Oh and dont' buy foreign cars is ignorant cause all cars are foreign. Made their, or parts from their, everying now a days is made over seas cause its cheaper and we stamp our name on it. Oh and their are always exceptions.
Ba Chicka Wa Wa
TD Member
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If the unions got rid of all the lazy fucks and the big 3 made a beter product fine. I'd buy a honda accord of the competator of the same price cause its a better product. I'm sure the ford, chevy, or chrysler has at least half over seas parts anyway. I know my ford probe I had and my chrysler sebring I've paid out my ass for parts cause they say its "mazda" parts or some shit. I hate when I hear buy american cars! MAKE A FUCKING GOOD PRODUCT! I am a union carpenter and I agree when they stick up for keeping same benefits or same wages, but asking for more is bullshit cause if you keep asking for more eventually you'll fuck yourslef and be put out. Like these high up suits who make 908903984390840930 a year fuck them.
If the unions got rid of all the lazy fucks and the big 3 made a beter product fine. I'd buy a honda accord of the competator of the same price cause its a better product. I'm sure the ford, chevy, or chrysler has at least half over seas parts anyway. I know my ford probe I had and my chrysler sebring I've paid out my ass for parts cause they say its "mazda" parts or some shit. I hate when I hear buy american cars! MAKE A FUCKING GOOD PRODUCT! I am a union carpenter and I agree when they stick up for keeping same benefits or same wages, but asking for more is bullshit cause if you keep asking for more eventually you'll fuck yourslef and be put out. Like these high up suits who make 908903984390840930 a year fuck them.
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