Ugh I lost most of my brain cells from this era. Soooo hard to remember any of this shit. Basically AEQ who's real name was Anar owned the server siting at the datacenter on front street. I think TD actually started when Source was released. Pretty sure I remember anar saying something about the clan originating from original CS but it was something else back then. I did not stumble on the server until later I think the summer of 2005 as far as I know but it was before the community and I eventually got into -=primigenia=- and got admin on the server. Not long after that Anar was getting busy in life and decided to form the council of a few of us admins and essentially form the gaming community. While this was going on the tNR guys were having a fallout with Anar and they bailed and took a bunch of the TD playerbase with them to start their own server. After a while Aeq was approached by mahone because he wanted to buy the server and promised to let the CS server run on it but he was using it for his own personal gayness company and it gradually got gayer with the more resources he raped on the box with his own shit. The we assraped him and BAILED to TD.ca. The rest is all a blur and I have zero timeline on when shit happened im terrible with dates. Wish I could go back that far. Oh and I quickly read through your list steve and one of the primi guys that didnt bail to NR was IMNOTARAPPER. and ya AEQ = Anar and I really don't recall JAM ever being primi but i could be mistaken. Commander Abdul was around in those days also I think he was admin. I'll think on this and see if I can recall anything else.