something i noticed

[commander abdul]

The server used to have a much better auto-balance feature. Most the times teams are stacked like crazy, and not only that, but new players join the game, see one side winning and stack even more so that the numbers on teams are uneven. The worst is the top players always selecting the side they know the map favors and stacking teams that way. No offense intended to anyone in particular, but the term rank whores comes to mind!


I seriously believe something should be done about that. It ruins the fun when you're trying to play CS and face a team where the top 5 players are smoking the opposing team on their own. It gets pretty frustrating when you auto select every map and you're mostly on the team being smoked. Maybe forcing people to choose auto select for teams would help make things more even. Or perhaps having the teams adjusted after a few rounds so top players are spread out instead of being all on one team. Losing 9-10 rounds back to back means there is an issue with team balancing.

Nothing more than my opinion for whatever it's worth!

P.S. not sure if this goes here, if not, my bad!

 

[Archduke]

a lot of the time when people complain about teams its because they're on terrorist and not working together at all. It happens a lot on Nuke and Chateau because no one leads the team with a good rush. that said yeah I don't know what happened to the auto balance it kinda worked.

 

[TurboTaco]

We've gone through a number of different auto-balance programs, there are always people who are gonna be unhappy with it one way or another

 

[commander abdul]

Yah I figured as much Turbotaco... it's hard to find a good balance when thats concerned. Figured I'd put it out there nothing more.

Archduke, it was on multiple maps and sometimes as both sides I played on the map. I was just mentioning to see if I was the only one to notice it. Sometimes you end up on the stacked team, and I do feel bad for the opposing team when that happens. It's frustrating when you're the team getting raped though

Thanks for the replies!

Thanks for replying =)

 

[Low Budget]

I know exactly what you are talking about Abdul. I see it all the time. 5 top ppl on the other team have highest scores on the server. We all see the 10-0 happen every now and then when no admin is on and/or when nobody does anything to balance stacked teams.

In some cases, it's also like archduke said.

Anyways, i don't think our tb balances the team based on scores, but rather on team size (prop can correct me if i'm wrong). It would be nice to have a tb that considers KPD ratio. That way switch top player of stacked team with one of the worse of the other team.

 

[Shotgun Jesus]

Yeah, man, shit is getting too stacked all the time. I think without a decent auto-balance, it's up to the admins to swap people from team to team. Fags.

 

[BIOP]

Some people join the team which is favoured by map. It happens, not much you can do but look down upon.

 

[647rfd]

well rule #6 says no-team stacking so I guess an admin should be doing their job and moving players if on or give a warning and ban for x amnt of time for repeat offenders after warning? idk

 

[OG buckshot jr]

PROBLEM
- Stacking Teams

FIRST SOLUTION
- 1264 different auto-balance scripts, custom maintained/adjusted every single day by Prop/Leroy and others

= No one was happy.

PROBLEM TWO
- Stacked teams with no auto-balance

SOLUTION TWO
- Making admins do it manually
- GIVING AWAY ADMIN TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T FUCKIN USE IT

= I'm the only motherfucker that switches people. I honestly haven't seen ONE admin make ONE switch (other players, not themselves) in months.

Anyone notice when I join I shift people around like it's fuckin Tetris, then all of a sudden it's 5-5 instead of 8-0?

Messege to the admins:
- start using it before the list gets revised. You have the pleasure of helping run the best gaming community in Canada. Get on it!

 

[commander abdul]

[quote1268361348=BIOP]
Some people join the team which is favoured by map. It happens, not much you can do but look down upon.
[/quote1268361348]

I've actually been on servers where you can't pick your team. You have to choose auto-select.

 

[commander abdul]

The whole balance thing can be a pain in the ass. I mean I did not start playing CS again because of CS or for rank. Honestly, the TD community even way back was a lot of fun. I am enjoying my time on the server and I only brought this up to see if it's something that was addressed or not.

It's a pain in the @$$, but one I know I can live with. Guess it's just frustrating at times hehe.

 

[47]

[quote1268367913=OG buckshot jr]
PROBLEM
- Stacking Teams

FIRST SOLUTION
- 1264 different auto-balance scripts, custom maintained/adjusted every single day by Prop/Leroy and others

= No one was happy.

PROBLEM TWO
- Stacked teams with no auto-balance

SOLUTION TWO
- Making admins do it manually
- GIVING AWAY ADMIN TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T FUCKIN USE IT

= I'm the only motherfucker that switches people. I honestly haven't seen ONE admin make ONE switch (other players, not themselves) in months.

Anyone notice when I join I shift people around like it's fuckin Tetris, then all of a sudden it's 5-5 instead of 8-0?

Messege to the admins:
- start using it before the list gets revised. You have the pleasure of helping run the best gaming community in Canada. Get on it!
[/quote1268367913]

i switch ppl occasionally when the teams are VERY bad

 

[Archduke]

[quote1268370854=OG buckshot jr]
Messege to the admins:
- start using it before the list gets revised. You have the pleasure of helping run the best gaming community in Canada. Get on it!
[/quote1268370854]
I think it's time for Archduke to finally get the admin he deserves :)

 

[Low Budget]

I switch ppl all the time fool! Don't be stepping all over my toes like that. Ya heard?!

 

[commander abdul]

I never see you playing low budget! You need to CS moar!

 

[OG buckshot jr]

[quote1268374097=Commander Abdul]
I never see you playing low budget! You need to CS moar!
[/quote1268374097]

+1
HOWEVER, I know your job sitcho and you help tons idling on TF2, so I ain't hating...

BUT, admit it - we got lots of useless admins man...

and 47, yes, when you're on, you might switch. My point is - not many admins play anymore, and when they do, they don't do shit. I completely understand (this isn't directed @ you 47, I'm speaking generally here) if you don't get to play a lot, and when you do, you just want to play, not work. However, I think if it's at that point, you might consider taking the high road (as Pyro once did) and pass the torch.

 

[crojon]

Auto assign only. solutions to all problems.

 

[[503]Hoggslayer]

[quote1268376506=CroJon]
Auto assign only. solutions to all problems.
[/quote1268376506]


I auto every time. but even with that you have people switching teams instantly or after a couple rounds when things get shitty they stack. it's ultimately up to the admins to do work.and when there's no admins then just deal or quit?

 

[[503]Hoggslayer]

!? :)

 

[Propaganda]

[quote1268376952=LoW BuDgEt]
Anyways, i don't think our tb balances the team based on scores, but rather on team size (prop can correct me if i'm wrong).
[/quote1268376952]

Based on both. We have been down this road many times and I just want to say there is no perfect solution other than the conscience of teamstacking cocksuckers. Here is the config if people have suggestions.

// *****************************************************************************
// Plugin : TeamBalance
//
// Filename : sm_teambalance.cfg
//
// This file is used to set cvar's which globally control plugin behavior.
// *****************************************************************************

// Enable the team balancer
// Setting this to Off forces the plugin to not load
// 0 = Off, 1 = On(Default)
sm_team_balance_enable 1

// Announcement preferences
// 0: No announcements
// 1: Announce when the teams balance is pending
// 2: Announce when the teams are not balanced
// 4: Announce when the teams are balanced
// 8: Announce when nothing can be done to make the teams more balanced
sm_team_balance_announce 17

// The number of hours to save stats for
sm_team_balance_save_time 672

// This is the number of rounds to skip between balancing
// Setting this to one will mean that at best it will balance every other round
sm_team_balance_min_balance_frequency 2

// This forces the plugin to balance team sizes, even if the losing team is the
// bigger team
sm_team_balance_maintain_size 1

// Setting this to 1 allows the plugin to control team joins. It will force players
// to join the smaller team and not allow them to switch to the stronger team later in the game.
sm_team_balance_control_joins 1

// The database configuration to use. Leave commented for a local SQLite db
// you can use default or configure your own connection in addons/sourcemod/configs/database.cfg
// sm_team_balance_database "default"

// Set to 0 if admins should not be immune to join control
sm_team_balance_join_immunity 0

// Set to 1 if you want to force each player to stay in the teams assigned
sm_team_balance_lock_teams 0

// The number of minutes after disconnect before the team lock expires after disconnect
sm_team_balance_lock_time 15

// Set to 1 if you don't want players who have already joined a team to be able to switch to spectator
sm_team_balance_stop_spec 0

// The admin flags that admins who should have immunity must have one of leave empty for all admins
// sm_team_balance_admin_flags

// *****************************************************************************
// WARNING
// Changing anything below this line effects the performance of the team
// balancer. Only change these values if you are sure you know what you
// are doing.
// *****************************************************************************

// The minimum number of kills + deaths you need to have in order to get a real
// kdr. Before this you kdr is set to sm_team_balance_def_kdr
sm_team_balance_min_kd 10

// The number of consecutive wins required to declare the teams unbalanced
sm_team_balance_consecutive_wins 4

// The win loss ratio required to declare the teams unbalanced
// 1.0 is an even number of wins and losses
sm_team_balance_wlr 0.55

// The number of rounds to delay team balancing when a new player joins
// the losing team
// If you want the balancer to evaluate more often change this to 0
sm_team_balance_new_join_rounds 0

// The minimum number of rounds before the team balancer starts
sm_team_balance_min_rounds 2

// The default kdr used until a real kdr is established
sm_team_balance_def_kdr 1.0

// The maximimum number of players on a team for which a single player is balanced
sm_team_balance_single_max 6

// The increment for which additional players are balanced
sm_team_balance_increment 5

// Admin Immunity: This should be set 0 to disable immunity
// WARNING: Enabling immunity SEVERELY limits the balancing algorithm
sm_team_balance_admin_immunity 0