RTS nub cant pick a race

iSeize

TD Admin
not gonna sugar coat it...im bad.

So, which race do you play and why? so i can focus on one for a while as i start to pick up the game.

i played SC1...for the custom maps :( fail. so i want to take SC2 seriously, which is why i wanna ask where to start. race i know best at the moment is protoss.
 

LT_Clash

TD Member
simple ignore everything that everyone tells you in here about wich race is best, pick the race that you want to play, i did this by choosing wich i thought was the coolest. but it dosnt realy matter how you choose it.

saying that id say choose toss simple mechanicks but vey in depth, cronoboost and warpgates add an element of choice.

http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3732340/
he gose over the basics of what a person needs to be thinking about during a game, its very cool he starts the video only useing the mouse then introduses the keyboard later and his build dosnt get any faster simply more efficient.
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3683433/
this is about fine tuning an opening and learning how to find out what you dont need.
 

Remy

TD Member / Gay Gyoza
This is what i did. played one game as random and whatever it was i stuck with.
 

iSeize

TD Admin
maaan i love that commentator. whats his name?

and where can i find that build-order tester map?
 

Roach

TD Admin
yeah man each race is made for diff style of play.

i like protoss, because its often smaller but more expensive army, and they made 3rd tier toss tech alot more fun than sc1. where in sc1 3rd teir tech consisted of arbs (carriers were useless) theres alot more choices u can make now in sc2 for 3rd tier tech.

i dunno if any of that made sense im baked and i hate proofreading.
 

Fork Included

TD Admin
no race is superior, blizzard made sure of it

even though you will hear people yell out "nerf this or that" but so far it has been pretty fair

ive been playing as terran mostly, but i'll start zerg after maybe 50 terran games or so
 

Narf!

TD Admin
I've told Pyro this already, but I find multiplayer to be stupid. I don't think I'll be playing SC2 ladder unless Bliz fixed some real fundamentally broken shit about this game.

1) Harassing is a big part of any RTS -- I agree, but to be able to air harass with a sizable force 5 minutes in is stupid. I can get out of it sure if I built 7985374963 turrets/towers but that is stupid. And since turtling isn't in my RTS gaming philosophy, I won't be playing SC2 multiplayer.

2) In SC1, you have to tech to tier 3 Science facility + get nuke silo attachment on your COMMAND CENTER in order to use nukes -- and most people don't because ComSAT is so much better throughout the course of the match for intel/revealing cloaked units etc. Nukes in SC1 was really a late-game-gamechanger if it's at all used. In a match with Pyro, he nuked me 3x in the first 10 minutes in 3 successive nuke strikes. Why? Because each Ghost-researching-building can build one nuke pretty quickly so he just built 3 of those buildings.

3) Zerg gets hydras, Protoss stalkers, but I have to tech to Starport to be able to build decent anti-air? Bring back Goliaths! WTF am going to do against Void Rays with Helions/Siege Tanks? Oh, that's right, I can go M&M's -- oh no I can't! Because I need a fucking Starport for medivacs.


You can say I'm QQing about this game all you want but I miss the good fights/battles from SC1 and WC3 where micro *cough* real skill *cough* actually matters. SC2 has turned into a harass race now and I think that's where Bliz fucked up.


My $0.02
 

Fork Included

TD Admin
dont play terran :/

also, just because you cant Hero harass does not mean you cant send an SCV in to scout

the best SC players send out a 6th or 7th scv/probe/drone to scout. On 2 slot maps, no one will wall fast enough, and on 4 player maps, you can get lucky and squeeze in before a wall on your 2nd try (if they wall at all)

also i took out 3 void rays yesterday with a single turret... it had 13 SCV's repairing it but whatever :)

now, i'm not saying it is easy, but you have to keep in mind if an enemy is getting a "sizable" airforce in 5 minutes that means they have no D, its impossible to go straight to voidrays that quickly while having enough zealots to stop an army of 4 marines and like 2 marauders.. all you do is walk right in and start focus firing the pylons, done.

if you have helions and seige tanks in seige mode and complaining about voidrays, you didnt scout!
 

Narf!

TD Admin
LOL how do you know I don't scout? I always scout. The Protoss you were playing against is just an idiot. If I saw you repairing with more than 3 SCVs then my mission is accomplished and I back off only to return later. The point of the harass is to impede your resource mining and killing your SCVs need not be done as long as you're slowed down.

I liked the way they did heros in WC3 -- you can't blindly send in your spirit wolves or water elementals in to disrupt them because you'll just give opposing hero experience to level. Also, there are many counter-measures put into place for even peons to get away unscathed and even win. Orcs can go into burrows, UD have the ghouls, Humans have militia, NE have trees + self explosion -- all of which, can be used to turn the tides even if you're getting harassed. I used to militia surround the opposing windwalked Orc Blademaster and just hold position. And that's fine because even though I won't be mining with those 8 militia, I force him to use teleportation scroll once windwalk wears off, which is 250g to buy. If not, I'll kill him, earn exp on my hero and harass him while he spends money to revive his hero -- in my books, that's a win-win and you need good micro to pull off. In SC2 -- even though iSeize is new at RTS, I'm sure that if someone was to teach him the build order for fast Void Rays, he'll be able to win quite a few matches without having the need to know anything else. And that, is why I think SC2 is broken.

(Sorry iSieze -- didn't mean to use you as an example :P)
 

Remy

TD Member / Gay Gyoza
To be honest blizzard did a good job in terms of evening out the teams. But to be honest its the players are just so gay. everyone has the same strategy.

and by the way fork you can try that on me ill have a little surprise for you.

Playing with randoms online usually results in them getting single unit rushes. While you can choose to play with friends who choose to have a mix of players and better strats. For example i destroyed clash zvp with phoenix.
 

Narf!

TD Admin
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While you can choose to play with friends who choose to have a mix of players and better strats.
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Really. So which of the games was that that we played in? The one you went void rays, or the one you went void rays?

You can talk the talk, but in the end, you still use the same strat that all those gay players you pointed out use. Liring hypocrite gypsy.
 

Narf!

TD Admin
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if you have helions and seige tanks in seige mode and complaining about voidrays, you didnt scout!
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Fag. L2Read! I never said I built helions/siege tanks. I'm saying that that's all we're given from the factory -- both of which doesn't attack air. I'm the first to scout in any game -- ask them people that have played with/against rather than make assumptions.
 

Fork Included

TD Admin
edit for edit, stay tuned

lets see

terran:

barracks
factory
starport - air


protoss

gateway
cybercore (useless building that doesnt actually do anything)
stargate - air


seems pretty fair to me
 

Remy

TD Member / Gay Gyoza
[quote1280844539=Narf!]
[quote1280843960=Remy]
While you can choose to play with friends who choose to have a mix of players and better strats.
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Really. So which of the games was that that we played in? The one you went void rays, or the one you went void rays?

You can talk the talk, but in the end, you still use the same strat that all those gay players you pointed out use. Liring hypocrite gypsy.

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lol first of all it was a 3v3 and a 2v2. what else do you do but single unit. You know how that shit works narf. 1v1 and we'll see. And im pretty sure i was zerg one of those rounds.

Also you can ask clash, we had a few matches where it was his, raoch, infestor, hyrda, muta, ultralisk army vs my stalker zealot sentry(yes i know clash dont say it) immortal, colossus army.

and yes i use void rays a lot in team matches. Which usually is part of a plan with the team.
 

Remy

TD Member / Gay Gyoza
[quote1280844657=Fork Included]
edit for edit, stay tuned

lets see

terran:

barracks
factory
starport - air


protoss

gateway
cybercore (useless building that doesnt actually do anything)
stargate - air


seems pretty fair to me

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but then again a factory costs alot of gas while a core only requires minerals big difference when building.
 

Narf!

TD Admin
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edit for edit, stay tuned

lets see

terran:

barracks
factory
starport - air


protoss

gateway
cybercore (useless building that doesnt actually do anything)
stargate - air


seems pretty fair to me

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I like how you neglected to point out that as soon as you have cybernetics core, you can build Stalkers (ground & air) and Sentries (which can summon a large shield and friend units in it's massive AOE takes reduced ranged damage). With 1 Sentry and 1 Stalker, I can take out a marine drop with the help of probes while Void Rays come out. Same goes for against Void Rays -- uh, minus the use of probes of course...
 
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