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Hawk-Eye
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Well Newton was one, He bleiveved in a supreme being.
actually here...I found this from google.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html
actually here...I found this from google.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html
OG buckshot jr
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Holy fuck TD breeds scientologists or what? Fuckin "Tom Cruise seeded us" lol
Next thing you know we're gonna have some Kaballah supporters here lol
Next thing you know we're gonna have some Kaballah supporters here lol
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gods a faggot
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Well if we are one with god (or this supreme being) and there are faggots out there such as Steve, then it can be argued that God in a way is a faggot.
gods a faggot
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Well if we are one with god (or this supreme being) and there are faggots out there such as Steve, then it can be argued that God in a way is a faggot.
I believe in god but i am not religious to the point where i go to church every sunday. I'll go to church for the main christian days such as christmas eve and maybe easter.
I believe there is one supreme being, and every religion is a different perception of that being. You guys should look into astral projection and astral voyages. Body asleep, mind awake. That's one way of learning what's beyond the physical plane that we are so used to. There is so much more to this place then we think. And you don't have to wait till you die to experience the afterlife.
I believe there is one supreme being, and every religion is a different perception of that being. You guys should look into astral projection and astral voyages. Body asleep, mind awake. That's one way of learning what's beyond the physical plane that we are so used to. There is so much more to this place then we think. And you don't have to wait till you die to experience the afterlife.
From my personal experience I have to say Hawk-Eye is correct. All great scientific and free thinking minds must at least consider the concept of GOD. It is the other side of the line. Impossible to prove or deny... So it must be considered at all times. Even if you explain all of the universe with math and science, it will all dissolve at the moment of the big bang. The reference, our universe, no longer exists and so the laws that govern that universe cannot exist. That is the void, and a creator could be in there somewhere. From Galileo to Stephen Hawking, many (if not all) of the great thinkers have either fully believed or at least considered the existence of a god.
Also, scientology is horseshit. :) Not the people who believe in it, but the entire ideology behind the church. Preaching to the choir here, but I can't help myself, that one really pisses me off.
Also, scientology is horseshit. :) Not the people who believe in it, but the entire ideology behind the church. Preaching to the choir here, but I can't help myself, that one really pisses me off.
Steve
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[quote1244781215=Steve]
gods a faggot
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Well if we are one with god (or this supreme being) and there are faggots out there such as Steve, then it can be argued that God in a way is a faggot.
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god would have to be a man to be a faggot, therefore if god is a faggot he is nothing but a mere man. So god is not all mighty, just a faggot-man.
anyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyways
I don't shun the idea of a higher existance out there, it is more than believable and possible. However does it know of us? does it care about us? probably not we are but specs of dust in a universal spectrum(not even going into the multiverse theory).
For all we know the being or what the fuck ever that lead to our evolution/creation could be long gone/dead/who the fuck knows.
All I am saying is the Idea of heaven and angels, and zombie jesus... all that shit is just retarded. The bible is one big book of fantasy, I don't understand how so many humans still hold on to this shit.
[quote1244781215=Steve]
gods a faggot
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Well if we are one with god (or this supreme being) and there are faggots out there such as Steve, then it can be argued that God in a way is a faggot.
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god would have to be a man to be a faggot, therefore if god is a faggot he is nothing but a mere man. So god is not all mighty, just a faggot-man.
anyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyways
I don't shun the idea of a higher existance out there, it is more than believable and possible. However does it know of us? does it care about us? probably not we are but specs of dust in a universal spectrum(not even going into the multiverse theory).
For all we know the being or what the fuck ever that lead to our evolution/creation could be long gone/dead/who the fuck knows.
All I am saying is the Idea of heaven and angels, and zombie jesus... all that shit is just retarded. The bible is one big book of fantasy, I don't understand how so many humans still hold on to this shit.
BIOP
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Hawkeye is correct, the majority of scientifical minds (the famous ones you would thing would be atheist) are not. Most of them are not religious, but they believe is something greater than the human race. Whether it is just an ancient species with more technology, or some sort of greater being. (Not the religious God mind you). I respect everyone's opinion on this subject tho, it is a matter of opinion.
B.From.Acc
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[quote1244788468=Keeripes!]
From my personal experience I have to say Hawk-Eye is correct. All great scientific and free thinking minds must at least consider the concept of GOD. It is the other side of the line. Impossible to prove or deny... So it must be considered at all times. Even if you explain all of the universe with math and science, it will all dissolve at the moment of the big bang. The reference, our universe, no longer exists and so the laws that govern that universe cannot exist. That is the void, and a creator could be in there somewhere. From Galileo to Stephen Hawking, many (if not all) of the great thinkers have either fully believed or at least considered the existence of a god.
Also, scientology is horseshit. :) Not the people who believe in it, but the entire ideology behind the church. Preaching to the choir here, but I can't help myself, that one really pisses me off.
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i agree keeripes, it falls apart believing in science and math. i'm not bashing it, it just doesn't explain. and then God, one Being. doesn't really prove the opposite either. both sides are a faith in a sense, you reason something and decide to support it/put your faith in it. i just think its foolish if you don't really reason about it, either way, God or BigBang.
[quote1244788697=Steve]
All I am saying is the Idea of heaven and angels, and zombie jesus... all that shit is just retarded. The bible is one big book of fantasy, I don't understand how so many humans still hold on to this shit.
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people hang onto it because it gives them something to live for, hope, that there is something beyond themselves and that there might actually be a perfect love. and that It might actually love them when they have nothing but themselves to give back in return. thats part of why Jesus was so revolutionary, i've heard it termed the upside down kingdom. Jesus went to the poor, sick, the rejects of society with His life. He didn't come with an army to target the rich and rulers for justice to be served.
i'm just curious, really. why is it shit? it is hard to believe but just think about it, why not believe it?
i'm just saying MY thoughts, when it comes down to it, it is an opinion or faith. but state your case! it just makes more sense to me to believe in God/Jesus, a way of life, not a religious technicality.
edit: spelling errrs
From my personal experience I have to say Hawk-Eye is correct. All great scientific and free thinking minds must at least consider the concept of GOD. It is the other side of the line. Impossible to prove or deny... So it must be considered at all times. Even if you explain all of the universe with math and science, it will all dissolve at the moment of the big bang. The reference, our universe, no longer exists and so the laws that govern that universe cannot exist. That is the void, and a creator could be in there somewhere. From Galileo to Stephen Hawking, many (if not all) of the great thinkers have either fully believed or at least considered the existence of a god.
Also, scientology is horseshit. :) Not the people who believe in it, but the entire ideology behind the church. Preaching to the choir here, but I can't help myself, that one really pisses me off.
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i agree keeripes, it falls apart believing in science and math. i'm not bashing it, it just doesn't explain. and then God, one Being. doesn't really prove the opposite either. both sides are a faith in a sense, you reason something and decide to support it/put your faith in it. i just think its foolish if you don't really reason about it, either way, God or BigBang.
[quote1244788697=Steve]
All I am saying is the Idea of heaven and angels, and zombie jesus... all that shit is just retarded. The bible is one big book of fantasy, I don't understand how so many humans still hold on to this shit.
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people hang onto it because it gives them something to live for, hope, that there is something beyond themselves and that there might actually be a perfect love. and that It might actually love them when they have nothing but themselves to give back in return. thats part of why Jesus was so revolutionary, i've heard it termed the upside down kingdom. Jesus went to the poor, sick, the rejects of society with His life. He didn't come with an army to target the rich and rulers for justice to be served.
i'm just curious, really. why is it shit? it is hard to believe but just think about it, why not believe it?
i'm just saying MY thoughts, when it comes down to it, it is an opinion or faith. but state your case! it just makes more sense to me to believe in God/Jesus, a way of life, not a religious technicality.
edit: spelling errrs
There were great minds in the past who believed the Earth was flat, or that the Sun revolved around the Earth. That which can't be explained is usually just, "
h, some god must have done it."
Personally, I'm just completely indifferent. Even if there were some Judeo–Christian-Islamic god, Zeus, or countless Hindu gods, they'd still all be assholes unworthy of worship.
Or perhaps I'm like that George Carlin stand-up bit; a sun worshiper. I can see it, it gives me light, lets plants grow, keeps me warm, I don't have to donate money, etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNy6ziOyxoA
h, some god must have done it."Personally, I'm just completely indifferent. Even if there were some Judeo–Christian-Islamic god, Zeus, or countless Hindu gods, they'd still all be assholes unworthy of worship.
Or perhaps I'm like that George Carlin stand-up bit; a sun worshiper. I can see it, it gives me light, lets plants grow, keeps me warm, I don't have to donate money, etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNy6ziOyxoA
To supplement my previous statement, I guess I also should have mentioned that my belief is that science is not only the pursuit of GOD, but the appreciation of the intricate system of which we are all a part. Baptized Catholic, but ever since I was a kid I thought it was B.S. The symbol of Jesus was not lost on me however, and that part of the religion is timeless and always relevant. The stories and miracles (imo) are off-putting, but the essence of the symbol is what is important. Like all prophets, he stood for the inherent good in all people which is what most people latch on to. You can't go wrong with that shit. Unfortunately these literary reminders of our potential have been edited and laced with racist, misogynistic and homophobic overtones.
Faith is not wrong. Taking, loving and believing in the essence of a given religion is not wrong. Just like Bob says, it's faith.
Why is the population of modern atheists growing? Unlike science, religion refuses to change its assumptions and assertions given new discoveries and information. Religion has a history of limiting the emotional and intellectual development of its followers. It's an administrative problem, not the fault of the believers.
I agree that science can also be seen as a religion, and thus requires faith. The main difference to any religion out there is that the scientific 'holy book' has not been finished. It's laws and teachings are put through the most rigorous testing in God's Playground before they are taken as fact or as faith. The concept of theories applied to universal truths (like gravity) imply a deference to the creator because we cannot fully understand these concepts; we can only measure them. Science is the embodiment of human progression, and is compassionate and understanding. I am not a fool, I understand that scientific breakthroughs have been used against humans and have caused irreversible damage to our culture and our planet. Is that the fault of science or humans in general? Even now you can see the shift in the global mindset concerning our reckless use of technological advances for our enjoyment. We want environmentally safe and sustainable things and the will of the people will ultimately prevail, and science will accommodate that will.
To conclude, science is (imo) truly unbiased because all religious fanatics kill, and maim with scientific discoveries. We heal and provide for ourselves using scientific discoveries. We control and enslave with the same weapons that we use to free and empower. Scientifically engineered nuclear holocausts were averted through the use of scientifically engineered communications. Science is unbiased because it is always on all sides at all times, it is humans that provide the imbalance.
As you can see cock, it is never a simple question. :) Everyone (more or less) who has posted has given an honest presentation of their beliefs along with expressing respect for the belief of others. Then again, this is one of those things that make this community rock. You won't find this everywhere. To each his own, high five! and let's get to the fraggin'
Kerpees Out.
Faith is not wrong. Taking, loving and believing in the essence of a given religion is not wrong. Just like Bob says, it's faith.
Why is the population of modern atheists growing? Unlike science, religion refuses to change its assumptions and assertions given new discoveries and information. Religion has a history of limiting the emotional and intellectual development of its followers. It's an administrative problem, not the fault of the believers.
I agree that science can also be seen as a religion, and thus requires faith. The main difference to any religion out there is that the scientific 'holy book' has not been finished. It's laws and teachings are put through the most rigorous testing in God's Playground before they are taken as fact or as faith. The concept of theories applied to universal truths (like gravity) imply a deference to the creator because we cannot fully understand these concepts; we can only measure them. Science is the embodiment of human progression, and is compassionate and understanding. I am not a fool, I understand that scientific breakthroughs have been used against humans and have caused irreversible damage to our culture and our planet. Is that the fault of science or humans in general? Even now you can see the shift in the global mindset concerning our reckless use of technological advances for our enjoyment. We want environmentally safe and sustainable things and the will of the people will ultimately prevail, and science will accommodate that will.
To conclude, science is (imo) truly unbiased because all religious fanatics kill, and maim with scientific discoveries. We heal and provide for ourselves using scientific discoveries. We control and enslave with the same weapons that we use to free and empower. Scientifically engineered nuclear holocausts were averted through the use of scientifically engineered communications. Science is unbiased because it is always on all sides at all times, it is humans that provide the imbalance.
As you can see cock, it is never a simple question. :) Everyone (more or less) who has posted has given an honest presentation of their beliefs along with expressing respect for the belief of others. Then again, this is one of those things that make this community rock. You won't find this everywhere. To each his own, high five! and let's get to the fraggin'
Kerpees Out.
I'm sorry, Keeripes, you have to be between 18-24 to participate in this thread.
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