[poll] H1N1 Vaccine and you

[Cock]

[quote1256612043=B.From.Acc]
but you're right pyro, vaccinations/viruses do not cause autism. there is a lot of controversy as whether it does, especially back with the measles outbreak, but it has neither been proved or disproved.
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Yes it has many times, people just ignore it.
Most of the doctors that were apart of the initial study have even recanted (14 out of 16 if i remember correctly).

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/02/anti-vax_study_a_case_of_scien.php

[RANT] Jenny McCarthy is a fool who believes you can cure autism with enough love and a different diet. That's right for all you mothers out there with kids who have autism YOU DON'T LOVE THEM ENOUGH. I refuse to watch Jim Carry because he's still with her even after all this BULLSHIT she spews.
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[Cock]

[quote1256613749=MarineRevenge]
I say : Fuck that shit... any "mandatory" injection that the GOVERNMENT is overseeing sounds like something straight out of 1984, or the NWO.
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Your paranoia makes me tingle all over.

Please explain what exactly the GOVERNMENT can do once you get this vaccine? I'd totally love to know what you think.

 

[Propaganda]

[quote1256614565=Leroy]
I think the mass effort to control germs, diseases, etc, is lowering our immune systems and setting us up for some serious catastrophe (a true superflu)
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+1

[quote1256614565=Leroy]
Me myself, I don't use aspirin for headaches, I don't eat halls for a sore throat, I rarely use antibiotics for infection (I actually got a bad ear infection this past summer, I had to take something, I wasn't able to beat it)
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Same +2

[quote1256614565=Leroy]
shit, you have a higher chance of catching the flu by surrounding yourself with the 2500 or so people waiting in line.
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Same thing I told my wife today, +3

Total score of 6

[quote1256614744=B.From.Acc]
as for me, i'm going to get the H1N1 shot. i'm in the hospital a lot, changing dressings, starting and changing IVs, pulling out staples/sutures, helping people go to the bathroom,
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WTF Bob I really thought you were an accountant.

 

[[503]Hoggslayer]

[quote1256617877=Propaganda]

WTF Bob I really thought you were an accountant.

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LMFAO +1

 

[Remy]

LOL prop thats fucking gold.

As for me fuck that shit. the more crap you take the less your body will be able to defend itself. i dont even take advils or anything anymore. unless its something totally serious.

And the media sucks at everything

 

[iSeize]

i am going to hell. check out the remix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gj5_PFbVo

 

[BIOP]

I havent had a flu shot since I was a child, and I RARELY get sick. The swine flu is no worse than any other flu, people are just panicing. The swine flu (as well as any other flu) only can kill you if you already have a disease, infection, virus, etc. Which is why is it imperative not to go to the hospital or emergency room if you have it. If you get the swine flu, stay fucking home, be a man or woman, and ride it out. If you have something already that a flu could kill you, by all means get the shot. The shot should be reserved for only the people that need it. I dont know the exact number but its something like you only have a 10% or 20% chance less of getting the flu when you get the shot. It's good prevention, but the population in general has to be smarter about not spreading it, stay the fuck home when you have it.

 

[iSeize]

[quote1256618803=cock]
[RANT] Jenny McCarthy is a fool who believes you can cure autism with enough love and a different diet. That's right for all you mothers out there with kids who have autism YOU DON'T LOVE THEM ENOUGH. I refuse to watch Jim Carry because he's still with her even after all this BULLSHIT she spews.
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Yeah she is crazy. my cousin is a teacher in St. catherines, teaching lifeskills to children with autism, shes smart enough to know removing gluten from a kids diet is not going to cure autism, its Also kind of stupid QUITE bad for you, considering gluten is found in most wheat products.

 

[B.From.Acc]

[quote1256622980=cock]
[quote1256612043=B.From.Acc]
but you're right pyro, vaccinations/viruses do not cause autism. there is a lot of controversy as whether it does, especially back with the measles outbreak, but it has neither been proved or disproved.
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Yes it has many times, people just ignore it.
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sorry, but the guy who wrote that paper "was charged with serious professional misconduct, including dishonesty." falsified results. he paid some of the people to be part of the study and performed medical procedures without proper consent, and took the testimony (spoken word) of other doctors as fact and cited them in his paper without proper research. hes been in and out of court for it. just read down the page, or search wikipedia for andrew wakefield. we talked about this last year in class cause it was brought up by one of the students.
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WTF Bob I really thought you were an accountant.

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haha no, i'm in my second year of nursing.

 

[Pyro]

[quote1256642334=B.From.Acc]
[quote1256622980=cock]
[quote1256612043=B.From.Acc]
but you're right pyro, vaccinations/viruses do not cause autism. there is a lot of controversy as whether it does, especially back with the measles outbreak, but it has neither been proved or disproved.
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Yes it has many times, people just ignore it.
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sorry, but the guy who wrote that paper "was charged with serious professional misconduct, including dishonesty." falsified results. he paid some of the people to be part of the study and performed medical procedures without proper consent, and took the testimony (spoken word) of other doctors as fact and cited them in his paper without proper research. hes been in and out of court for it. just read down the page, or search wikipedia for andrew wakefield. we talked about this last year in class cause it was brought up by one of the students.
[/quote1256642334=B.From.Acc]
im pretty sure that he was saying "it has been disproved many times."

 

[[503]Hoggslayer]

[quote1256657678=cock]



[RANT] YOU DON'T LOVE THEM ENOUGH.
BULLSHIT.
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Rage cock rage........... :P

 

[B.From.Acc]

[quote1256664512=Pyro]
im pretty sure that he was saying "it has been disproved many times."
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mmmm yes.. i see now

 

[TurboTaco]

Swine flu in my opinion and based on readings, is really hyped up. Symptoms of swine flu are nearly identical to that of the common flu with +/- to some of the intensity of certain symptoms. A healthy person in their teens to their late middle-age have nothing to worry about, especially if they catch it. It will likely be as if they had a normal flu and nothing else. Children, Seniors, people with immunodeficiency problems will have a reason to be concerned with Swine Flu, but that is the same for any other fucking thing out there right now: bacterias, virus', etc. The normal flu has just as much of a chance of killing you or me (normal avg ppl) as does swine flu.

What I do hate hearing the most are people who know nothing about vaccines except for what they read in news articles that seem written in USA Today or something.

Vaccines DO NOT have a live flu virus in the vaccine. Idiots be warned again, there are no complete flu virus particles in any flu or swine flu vaccines. Vaccines simply have SEGMENTS of VIRAL DNA, the viral DNA segments used in vaccines simply tells your body: "this is a bad thing, create an antibody for it" and nothing more. Flu vaccines take at least 2 weeks for your body to build up enough immunity to the flu itself wherein most ppl get sick anyways during that time and BLAME it on the vaccine. Hence the state of mind of ppl saying a vaccine got them sick.

I have gotten a flu vaccine once, and got sick within a week regardless. Now, i feel I do not require a flu shot or a swine flu shot, but many people may feel otherwise. Thats your own opinion and judgement. When you get sick from the flu, you'll build your natural immunity anyways without a vaccine. I try not to get sick period.

If you're a hospital worker, you must take a flu shot or swine flu shot. I would opt for the flu shot as the swine flu vaccine is relatively new and there is no sort of long-term observation as to what possibly could happen. I doubt anything will happen for ppl who take swine flu shots tho.

 

[B.From.Acc]

yeah hopefully nothing happens in the long run! :S

PART of the reason H1N1 is hyped so much is because the government views this also as a business. it costs the government, especially in canada, a lot less to prevent the virus rather than treat it. to make a vaccine rather than paying wages of health care workers, supply costs and machines (respirators). and i'm sure there is much more.

[quote1256677781=TurboTaco]

viral DNA segments used in vaccines simply tells your body: "this is a bad thing, create an antibody for it" and nothing more.

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turbos right. those who say vaccines don't work, don't know shtuff. shit. its only if you're given anitbodies from an outside source (passive immunity), then your are setting up your body for failure. but if you're given a vaccine (active immunity) which as turbo says, tells your body to "make your own antibodies", this is good and does work. its just that every year only 3 strains are picked to be in the flu shot. the ones deemed by the WHO and local authorities to be the most virulent. as turbo said you either get sick in the two weeks after, or from a different strain.

i'm getting sick talking about swine flu. i'm done.

 

[Doolox]

I'm not getting vaccinated by something that has been developed in the past year and has next to no long term testing done on it. The vaccine could be more dangerous than get the flu...

The other comparison I have is the link between Cervical cancer and a vaccination that was given to school age girls a few years ago. The vaccination did more harm than what it was intended to shield people from.

NO VACCINATION FOR ME!

 

[Propaganda]

H1N1 Vaccine Contains a Million Times More Squalene Than Anthrax Vaccine Responsible for Gulf War Syndrome
There seems to be quite a lot of uncertainty about the technical nature of Swine Flu (H1N1) vaccines. As a medical doctor, I wish to clarify a number of improtant issues: First, we should talk about vaccines instead of vaccine, since the vaccines vary as for their compositions and even their ways of being dispensed: some by injection, another by the nose. ~ Dr. Anders Bruun Laursen
I think the fears as for the vaccines can be referred to:

1. the adjuvants – in particular squalene which was in all probability responsible for the Gulf War syndrome,

2. the virus antigen´s condition (dead, attenuated, live)

3. a deeply rooted mistrust in our politicians and the vaccine producers´ motives and morals: e.g. Baxter´s live bird flu virus last Winter (12), the Bayer AIDS hemophiliac product scandal (15).
First it is necessary to understand, that pandemic vaccines are made according to two procedures:
1. The Development of a totally new vaccine from scratch. This takes more time, administration and testing than mock up vaccines (see below).
2. A Mock-up vaccine is a vaccine with all the adjuvants of the pandemic vaccine – but without the killed or attenuated pandemic virus. (1) This virus is – until the pandemic virus is known – a different, attenuated known potentially pandemic virus, in the case of the Pandemrix vaccine for the EU it is an attenuated H5N1 bird flu virus. This is the mock-up vaccine. When the nature of the pandemic swine flu virus (H1N1) is known, it replaces the H5N1 virus in an attenuated form, the adjuvants being left unchanged.
Until now mock-up vaccine test-vaccinations have been going on on voluntary ”human guinea pigs.” Since most of the contents of the vaccine has already been approved, the approval of the pandemic vaccine is easier to implement.
After the exchange of virus in the vaccine, the company will have to apply for a ”variation”. However, this is just a matter of form, since such a variation approval is given by the EU within 5 days – which means that there is no objective testing of the vaccine requiring official approval. The safety is entirely left to the vaccine producer, who has been granted immunity to actions of damages due to expected side effects (2).
So, as you see, there is no confusion with regard to swine flu and bird flu viruses. But there is another important consideration: the role of squalene.
The average quantity of squalene injected into the US soldiers abroad and at home in the anthrax vaccine during and after the Gulf War was 34.2 micrograms per billion micrograms of water. According to one study, this was the cause othe Gulf War syndrom in 25% of 697.000 US personnel at home and abroad. (3). You can find this table of FDA analyses from the Gulf War lots on The Military Vaccine Resource Directory website (4)
> a.. AVA 020 - 11 ppb squalene (parts per billion)
> b.. AVA 030 - 10 ppb squalene
> c.. AVA 038 - 27 ppb squalene
> d.. AVA 043 - 40 ppb squalene
> e.. AVA 047 - 83 ppb squalene
These values were confirmed by Prof. R. F. Garry (5) before the House of Representatives. Prof Garry was the man to discover the connection between the Gulf War syndrome and squalene.
According to his findings, the Gulf War syndrome was caused by squalene, which was banned by a Federal Court Judge in 2004 from the Pentagon´s use. (6)
As seen on p. 6 of this EMEA document (7), the Pandremix vaccine contains 10,68 mg of squalene per 0,5 ml. This corresponds to 2.136.0000 microgrammes pr. billion microgrammes of water, i.e. one million times more squalene per dose than in (4). There is any reason to believe that this will make people sick to a much higher extent than in 1990/91. This appears murderous to me.
I have contacted the Danish National Health Service: They are to decree mass vaccinations in Denmark - and yet they knew nothing about the composition of the Pandremix vaccine.
Then I addressed the Danish Medicinal Agency. They admitted that the Pandremix vaccine from GlaxoSmithKline does contain squalene and thimerosal. They have not rejected my remark that the squalene concentration is dangerous. In contrast, the AstraZeneca MedImmune nasal vaccination (8) avoids squalene side effects.
So far the use of squalene has been banned by the FDA in the US according to Der Spiegel (9). However, this may not last long (10).
"Clearly bypassing the FDA requirements for safety testing of these new adjuvants and the vaccines which contain them puts the entire population at risk for serious, possibly life threatening side effects, particularly any of the 12,000 paid trial participants (6,000 children) who are unfortunate enough to be randomized into the adjuvant containing groups.”
Still, on July 23, 2009, the FDA announced, “Currently, no U.S. licensed vaccine contains the adjuvants MF-59 or ASO3 (squalene). It is expected that a novel influenza A (H1N1) vaccine manufactured using the same process as U.S. licensed seasonal inactivated influenza vaccine but administered with MF-59 or ASO3 will be authorized for emergency use only.”
Furthermore, “Two of the manufacturers (Novartis and GSK) have proprietary oil-in-water adjuvants (MF-59 and ASO3, respectively) which have been evaluated in a number of clinical studies including studies with influenza vaccines. These manufacturers will include an evaluation of the utility of the adjuvant for dose sparing and higher effect in their clinical studies.“
"The same document indicates that vaccines containing the un-approved adjuvants will be given to 100 children 6 months to 3 years old, 100 children 3 years old to 8 years, 100 individuals 18 to 64 years old and 100 individuals 65 and older in each of the multiple clinical trials. In addition, 700 individuals in each trial will be given non-adjuvanted vaccine".
Now for the immunological side effects of squalene to occur takes months to years – and cannot be evaluated after up to 6 weeks of observation. Der Spiegel (9) calls the mass vaccinations on Europeans a gigantic cost free experiment to provide the FDA with mass vaccination experience to clear the track for sale in the US.
EMEA admits that side effects can only be found through extensive vaccination campaigns! (1).
Here is what EMEA (4) has to say about risks of GSK Pandemrix:
EMEAs Pandemrix is commonly or very commonly associated with a range of local and systemic adverse reactions but these are not often of severe intensity and the safety profile would not preclude the use of the vaccine in healthy adults aged 18-60 years or > 60 years.
However, there are some adverse reactions known to be very rarely associated with influenza vaccines and it is currently not possible to predict if higher rates might be observed with Pandemrix compared with, for example, seasonal influenza vaccines.
Dr Keiji Fukuda, the WHO's flu chief, today warned about the potential dangers of the untested vaccine (11): "There are certain areas where you simply do not try to make any economies. One of the things which cannot be compromised is the safety of vaccines."
Which is exactly what is going on!
What I do not know is, if they are going to leave the attenuated (or live - Baxter (12) bird flu vaccine - or to totally replace it by the H1N1 virus.
Other severe, but rare side effects are autism in children due to thimerosal (13) and the Guillan-Barré syndrome seen with 400-500 Americans after the 1976 unnecessary mass vaccinations against swine flu (14) – videos. As for additional severe side effects of squalene – see Stephen Lendman (15).
My advice: If you are forced to be vaccinated against the harmless swine flu (H1N1) – demand a vaccination with the AstraZeneca nasal vaccine MedImmune (8)– thereby avoiding squalene side effects.
References
(1) EMEA http://www.emea.europa.eu/pdfs/human/pandemicinfluenza/
PandemicVaccines_Q&A_46147609en.pdf
(2) Global Research 20 July http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14453
(3) Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome
(4) The Military Vaccine Resource Directory http://www.mvrd.org/showpage.cfm?ID=69 .
(5) Statement for Hearing Record, The House Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations
http://www.autoimmune.com/SubcommitteeRFGarry24Jan02.html
(6) Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome
(7) EMEA http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/pandemrix/H-832-en6.pdf
(8) Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthcareNews/idUSL11997420090601
(9) Der Spiegel http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,640853-2,00.html
(10) Your Spine http://www.yourspine.com/Chiropractic/Swine+Flu+Squalene+Adjuvant.aspx
(11) The London Evening Standard http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...+swine+flu+may+be+unsafe+warns+WHO/article.do

(12) The Toronto Sun http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html
(13) Global Research 23 July, 2009 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14510
(14) Video 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFcnneAqnTM

Video 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Bvf9AaC-4
(15) Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs
(13) Global Research 23 July 2009 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14510
(14) 1. video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFcnneAqnTM
2. video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Bvf9AaC-4
(15) Stephen Lendman, Global Research, 10 June, 2009 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13925
Surveys can be seen here http://euro-med.dk/?p=9152 and here http://euro-med.dk/?p=9895

 

[iSeize]

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