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I am minding my own business, as this concerns everyone on the planet.
Yes, and a for a very thorough and open ivnestiation of US's foreign policy.
But this right here is simply a petition to get the White House to respond directly to the issue. Because at the moment this is somewhat of a private legal matter and the government is not responsible to comment.
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You're essentially condoning the actions of your military and feel that your country should be free to do anything they wish in order to maintain whatever it is that they got to maintain.
Which is a perfectly fine viewpoint. But not one I and many others share.
iCe
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You live in Canada, stop with your "heroism", and fighting for equal rights shit. It is a private matter, he leaked INFORMATION while in the military. If this was a petition to have someone tried for those actions or events (which I still do not agree with) that's one thing, but this scumbag has nothing to do with you. He committed treason to a country he was serving, he deserves death.
14bux
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Yeah, but Americans have freedom of press. I don't know if that extends to things such as this, but it's within rights. Death is a strict thing I believe should only be reserved for murders and hate crimes.
iCe
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How old are you?
If the guy was in the military theres no freedom of press (theres no freedom at all), and there are a ton of scumbags that deserve death.
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When US helicopters kill innocent people in other countries (just the tip of the iceberg), it is not a PRIVATE MATTER, because in a blink of an eye we'll have America anexing Canada for our water and oil and there won't be anyone to stop them.
A private matter would be some drunk cop shooting a hooker behind a 7-11 because she bit his cock by accident.
The US foreign policy has a face of a smiling humanitarian with arms outreached to embrace and comfort while in the shadows lurk your cia, mia, fbi, wtf, etc.
I wouldn't have too much of a problem with the US if they made a stance "we're asshole, we're going to go to your land, kill yo' shit, take what we need, and then leave you with cum dripping out of your ass."
But the don't. They tell everyone how amazing they are and how much they are helping everyone all over the globe.
The proof is in the puddying.
Be more like other countries. France was like "fuck these muslims," Iceland is like "fuck these tourists," Russia is all about "fuck everyone don't bother us."
But if America is going to insist on being a saint in the public eye, then anything they do that contradicts their outward persona should be exposed and those responsible should be prosectued.
iCe
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LULLLLLZZZZ First of all if any country wanted something from Canada they could take it. Secondly what do you not understand about TREASON. This is a private matter in the military, and everyone that doesn't agree that the soldier is guilty of treason, should be killed too for pure stupidity. These acts/bombings happen daily you don't hear shit about it. All over the world and not just from the US. The US is a saint because we give so much god damn money to fucking pakis for no reason. (which should stop, but not with obama in the white house)
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We don't hear about them because no one talks about them. This does not make it okay!
There have been studies done that one of the reasons Vietnam failed was because it was the first war to be televised. When americans started seeing the attrocities that war brings all of sudden they didn't want to be a part of it.
All you ever see on the news are how soldiers are giving out snickers bars and holding hands with kids.
That helicopter video is a perfect example of what the military and the government do not want people to see. It is powerful, it shows the sick sad part of war.
And i'm not a hero ice, but i'm also not in the army and i do not kill people and i don't issue commands to kill people, and that's already a step in the right direction.
There have been studies done that one of the reasons Vietnam failed was because it was the first war to be televised. When americans started seeing the attrocities that war brings all of sudden they didn't want to be a part of it.
All you ever see on the news are how soldiers are giving out snickers bars and holding hands with kids.
That helicopter video is a perfect example of what the military and the government do not want people to see. It is powerful, it shows the sick sad part of war.
And i'm not a hero ice, but i'm also not in the army and i do not kill people and i don't issue commands to kill people, and that's already a step in the right direction.
14bux
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You know, I'd have to agree. The more people are led into believing the government, the worse our country gets later in the path. It's not all happy flowers and lollipops in the military.
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you seriously want to PARDON a guy that committed TREASON? A guy that put his brothers and sisters in arms in harms way? A guy that basically gave the enemies of the USA, Canada, and European Nations info on locations and operations of their Soldiers?
This guy put tens of thousands of soldiers in immediate danger.
HE SHOULD BE PUBLICLY HANGED.
This guy put tens of thousands of soldiers in immediate danger.
HE SHOULD BE PUBLICLY HANGED.
14bux
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This isn't the 1700's. Public hanging is illegal. The death penalty is severe already. And I live in the U.S.
Steve
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I do feel my country should do anything we wish to maintain whatever we wish to maintain. Remember, I'm pro imperialism. but that has nothing at all to do with this.
Manning was pissed at the military(he was getting kicked out) and tried to get back at it by leaking materials.
Know how he got caught? BRAGGING TO HACKERS ABOUT ALL THIS.
From wiki:
Manning and Adrian Lamo
Chats
On May 20, 2010, Manning contacted Adrian Lamo, a former "grey hat" hacker convicted in 2004 of having accessed The New York Times computer network two years earlier without permission. Lamo had been profiled that day by Kevin Poulsen in Wired magazine; the story said he had been involuntarily hospitalized and diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.[44] Poulsen, by then a reporter, was himself a former hacker who had used Lamo as a source several times since 2000.[43] Indeed, it was Poulsen who, in 2002, had told The New York Times, on Lamo's behalf, that Lamo had gained unauthorized access to its network. Poulsen then wrote the story up for SecurityFocus. Lamo would often hack into a system, tell the organization he had done it – using Poulsen as an intermediary – then offer to fix their security.[45]
Lamo said Manning sent him several encrypted e-mails on May 20. He said he was unable to decrypt them but replied anyway and invited the e-mailer to chat on AOL IM. Lamo said he later turned the e-mails over to the FBI without having read them.[46] In a series of chats from May 21 until May 25/26, Manning – using the handle "bradass87" – told Lamo that he had leaked classified material. He began by introducing himself as an army intelligence analyst, and within 17 minutes, without waiting for a reply, began a tentative discussion about the leaks.[47
May 21, 2010: (1:41:12 PM) bradass87: hi(1:44:04 PM) bradass87: how are you?(101 PM) bradass87: im an army intelligence analyst, deployed to eastern baghdad, pending discharge for "adjustment disorder" in lieu of "gender identity disorder"
(1:56:24 PM) bradass87: im sure you're pretty busy ...(1:58:31 PM) bradass87: if you had unprecedented access to classified networks 14 hours a day 7 days a week for 8+ months, what would you do?
Lamo replied several hours later. Before Manning started discussing the leaks, Lamo told him: "I'm a journalist and a minister. You can pick either, and treat this as a confession or an interview (never to be published) & enjoy a modicum of legal protection." They talked about restricted material in general, then Manning made his first explicit reference to the leaks: "This is what I do for friends." He linked to a section of the May 21, 2010, version of Wikipedia's article on WikiLeaks, which described the WikiLeaks release in March that year of a Department of Defense report on WikiLeaks itself. He added "the one below that is mine too"; the section below in the same article referred to the leak of the Baghdad airstrike ("Collateral Murder") video.[48] Manning said he felt isolated and fragile, and was reaching out to someone he hoped might understand
Manning said he had started to help WikiLeaks around Thanksgiving in November 2009 – which fell on November 26 that year – after WikiLeaks had released the 9/11 pager messages; the messages were released on November 25. He told Lamo he had recognized the messages had come from an NSA database, and that it had made him feel comfortable about stepping forward. Lamo asked what kind of material he was dealing with, and Manning replied: "uhm ... crazy, almost criminal political backdealings ... the non-PR-versions of world events and crises ..." Although he said he dealt with Assange directly, he also said Assange had adopted a deliberate policy of knowing very little about him, telling Manning: "lie to me."[47]
At that point, Lamo again assured him that he was speaking in confidence. Manning wrote: "but im not a source for you ... im talking to you as someone who needs moral and emotional fucking support," and Lamo replied: "i told you, none of this is for print."[47]
He said the incident that had affected him the most was when 15 detainees had been arrested by the Iraqi Federal Police for printing anti-Iraqi literature. He was asked by the army to find out who the "bad guys" were, and discovered that the detainees had followed what Manning said was a corruption trail within the Iraqi cabinet. He reported this to his commanding officer, but said "he didn't want to hear any of it"; he said the officer told him to help the Iraqi police find more detainees. Manning said it made him realize, "i was actively involved in something that i was completely against ..." He explained that "i cant separate myself from others ... i feel connected to everybody ... like they were distant family," and cited Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman, and Elie Wiesel. He said he hoped the material would lead to "hopefully worldwide discussion, debates, and reforms. if not ... than [sic] we're doomed as a species." He said he had downloaded the material onto music CD-RWs, erased the music and replaced it with a compressed split file. Part of the reason no-one noticed, he said, was that staff were working 14 hours a day, seven days a week, and "people stopped caring after 3 weeks."[47]
Lamo's approach to FBI, publication of chat logs
Lamo first discussed the chat with Chet Uber of the volunteer group, Project Vigilant, which researches cyber crime, and a friend who had worked in military intelligence. Both men advised Lamo to go to the FBI, and they reported what he had told them to the United States Army Criminal Investigation Command.[49] Lamo contacted the FBI shortly after the first chat on May 21; he said he believed Manning was endangering lives.[49] He was largely ostracized by the hacker community afterwards. Lamo later explained why, despite having assured Manning twice of confidence, he still chose to approach the FBI. Unlike other sources which attribute Manning's action to emotional instability, Lamo understood Manning's action differently: "He was ideologically motivated from a position he saw as well-intentioned, and he represented his motive as social responsibility in the pursuit of a wider benefit regarding disclosure of certain information."[50] Nicks argues, on the other hand, that it was thanks to Lamo that the government had months to ameliorate any harm caused by the release of the diplomatic cables.[51] On May 25, Lamo met with FBI and Army investigators in California, where he showed them the chat logs. On or around that date, he also passed the story to Kevin Poulsen of Wired, and on May 27 gave him the chat logs and Manning's name under embargo. He saw the FBI again that day, at which point they told him Manning had been arrested in Iraq the day before. Poulsen and Kim Zetter broke the news of the arrest in Wired on June 6.[52] Wired published around 25 percent of the chat logs on June 6 and 10, and the full logs in July 2011, after the personal material about Manning had appeared elsewhere.
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