NEW UPDATE!!!!
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Il play cs when they cancel the update or they bring out a new engine.
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You will never play CSS because
#1 this was a new engine update (to the Orange Box Engine) they are not going to make radical changes any time soon.
#2 they will not cancel the update just like when they changed a tonn of shit from older versions before in 1.6 and Source you just deal with it. The "Live Market" being the only exception as that was a stupid idea.
Steam and Valve are moving in other directions and your either on board or your playing by yourself (like BJ apparently).
You can turn off kill cam, and everything else is just fucking visual diarrhea I just ignore it. FPS drops are due to the Engine changes, and yea some people got fucked on that. Time to get off your integrated cards and buy some dedicated hardware. (Sorry guys n gals but it had to be said)
Il play cs when they cancel the update or they bring out a new engine.
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You will never play CSS because
#1 this was a new engine update (to the Orange Box Engine) they are not going to make radical changes any time soon.
#2 they will not cancel the update just like when they changed a tonn of shit from older versions before in 1.6 and Source you just deal with it. The "Live Market" being the only exception as that was a stupid idea.
Steam and Valve are moving in other directions and your either on board or your playing by yourself (like BJ apparently).
You can turn off kill cam, and everything else is just fucking visual diarrhea I just ignore it. FPS drops are due to the Engine changes, and yea some people got fucked on that. Time to get off your integrated cards and buy some dedicated hardware. (Sorry guys n gals but it had to be said)
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[quote1277761715=68cal]
Il play cs when they cancel the update or they bring out a new engine.
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You will never play CSS because
#1 this was a new engine update (to the Orange Box Engine) they are not going to make radical changes any time soon.
#2 they will not cancel the update just like when they changed a tonn of shit from older versions before in 1.6 and Source you just deal with it. The "Live Market" being the only exception as that was a stupid idea.
Steam and Valve are moving in other directions and your either on board or your playing by yourself (like BJ apparently).
You can turn off kill cam, and everything else is just fucking visual diarrhea I just ignore it. FPS drops are due to the Engine changes, and yea some people got fucked on that. Time to get off your integrated cards and buy some dedicated hardware. (Sorry guys n gals but it had to be said)
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well by new engine I mean a counter strike three. Call me hopefull but I say its enevitable.
[quote1277761715=68cal]
Il play cs when they cancel the update or they bring out a new engine.
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You will never play CSS because
#1 this was a new engine update (to the Orange Box Engine) they are not going to make radical changes any time soon.
#2 they will not cancel the update just like when they changed a tonn of shit from older versions before in 1.6 and Source you just deal with it. The "Live Market" being the only exception as that was a stupid idea.
Steam and Valve are moving in other directions and your either on board or your playing by yourself (like BJ apparently).
You can turn off kill cam, and everything else is just fucking visual diarrhea I just ignore it. FPS drops are due to the Engine changes, and yea some people got fucked on that. Time to get off your integrated cards and buy some dedicated hardware. (Sorry guys n gals but it had to be said)
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well by new engine I mean a counter strike three. Call me hopefull but I say its enevitable.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Lol cock, I actually laughed hahaha
but in seriousness I'll try it tonight maybe... Gotta get bro from airport at 230am
hope I don get fucked in quad-core...
but in seriousness I'll try it tonight maybe... Gotta get bro from airport at 230am
hope I don get fucked in quad-core...
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[quote1277761715=68cal]
Il play cs when they cancel the update or they bring out a new engine.
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You will never play CSS because
#1 this was a new engine update (to the Orange Box Engine) they are not going to make radical changes any time soon.
#2 they will not cancel the update just like when they changed a tonn of shit from older versions before in 1.6 and Source you just deal with it. The "Live Market" being the only exception as that was a stupid idea.
Steam and Valve are moving in other directions and your either on board or your playing by yourself (like BJ apparently).
You can turn off kill cam, and everything else is just fucking visual diarrhea I just ignore it. FPS drops are due to the Engine changes, and yea some people got fucked on that. Time to get off your integrated cards and buy some dedicated hardware. (Sorry guys n gals but it had to be said)
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You're absolutely right, getting 20-40 FPS on this machine:
-Intel Dual Core Duo 2.4 Ghz
-4 Gb DDR3 ram
-Nvidia 8800GT
-Windows 7, 64 bit
-Well ventilated and well maintained
-All drivers up to date
Means that I need to toss out my entire system because that's obviously the problem. My shitty 'integrated graphics' and my 'sluggish' processor must be the problem right?
My machine runs TF2 on HIGH settings at 70+ FPS and prior to the update I got in excess of 80 FPS in CS:S. I don't notice any sluggishness in any of the other games I own(both new and old). I've defraged my HDDs, I've tried tweaking various values and run time options, video settings, older drivers, none of which seem to help with this issue. This leads me to believe that it's a problem with the update, not my obviously shitty piece of crap computer.
:3
[quote1277761715=68cal]
Il play cs when they cancel the update or they bring out a new engine.
[/quote1277761715]
You will never play CSS because
#1 this was a new engine update (to the Orange Box Engine) they are not going to make radical changes any time soon.
#2 they will not cancel the update just like when they changed a tonn of shit from older versions before in 1.6 and Source you just deal with it. The "Live Market" being the only exception as that was a stupid idea.
Steam and Valve are moving in other directions and your either on board or your playing by yourself (like BJ apparently).
You can turn off kill cam, and everything else is just fucking visual diarrhea I just ignore it. FPS drops are due to the Engine changes, and yea some people got fucked on that. Time to get off your integrated cards and buy some dedicated hardware. (Sorry guys n gals but it had to be said)
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You're absolutely right, getting 20-40 FPS on this machine:
-Intel Dual Core Duo 2.4 Ghz
-4 Gb DDR3 ram
-Nvidia 8800GT
-Windows 7, 64 bit
-Well ventilated and well maintained
-All drivers up to date
Means that I need to toss out my entire system because that's obviously the problem. My shitty 'integrated graphics' and my 'sluggish' processor must be the problem right?
My machine runs TF2 on HIGH settings at 70+ FPS and prior to the update I got in excess of 80 FPS in CS:S. I don't notice any sluggishness in any of the other games I own(both new and old). I've defraged my HDDs, I've tried tweaking various values and run time options, video settings, older drivers, none of which seem to help with this issue. This leads me to believe that it's a problem with the update, not my obviously shitty piece of crap computer.
:3
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You're absolutely right, getting 20-40 FPS on this machine:
-Intel Dual Core Duo 2.4 Ghz
-4 Gb DDR3 ram
-Nvidia 8800GT
-Windows 7, 64 bit
-Well ventilated and well maintained
-All drivers up to date
Means that I need to toss out my entire system because that's obviously the problem. My shitty 'integrated graphics' and my 'sluggish' processor must be the problem right?
My machine runs TF2 on HIGH settings at 70+ FPS and prior to the update I got in excess of 80 FPS in CS:S. I don't notice any sluggishness in any of the other games I own(both new and old). I've defraged my HDDs, I've tried tweaking various values and run time options, video settings, older drivers, none of which seem to help with this issue. This leads me to believe that it's a problem with the update, not my obviously shitty piece of crap computer.
:3
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Daaaaaaaammn, if i wanted to listen to a Drama Queen I'd talk to my sister more often. Nobody said redo your entire system, nor did i tell anyone else to do so. I didn't even know your current situation and nothing was directed toward you personally.
That being said, I've tested on a P4 3.0 single with an 8800GTS (the shitty model), and it runs fine.
I hear Google.com is great for this thing called research! Might wanna hop on over and try it out.... Maybe vent some anger over on the Steam Forums like you said everyone else is doing.
You're absolutely right, getting 20-40 FPS on this machine:
-Intel Dual Core Duo 2.4 Ghz
-4 Gb DDR3 ram
-Nvidia 8800GT
-Windows 7, 64 bit
-Well ventilated and well maintained
-All drivers up to date
Means that I need to toss out my entire system because that's obviously the problem. My shitty 'integrated graphics' and my 'sluggish' processor must be the problem right?
My machine runs TF2 on HIGH settings at 70+ FPS and prior to the update I got in excess of 80 FPS in CS:S. I don't notice any sluggishness in any of the other games I own(both new and old). I've defraged my HDDs, I've tried tweaking various values and run time options, video settings, older drivers, none of which seem to help with this issue. This leads me to believe that it's a problem with the update, not my obviously shitty piece of crap computer.
:3
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Daaaaaaaammn, if i wanted to listen to a Drama Queen I'd talk to my sister more often. Nobody said redo your entire system, nor did i tell anyone else to do so. I didn't even know your current situation and nothing was directed toward you personally.
That being said, I've tested on a P4 3.0 single with an 8800GTS (the shitty model), and it runs fine.
I hear Google.com is great for this thing called research! Might wanna hop on over and try it out.... Maybe vent some anger over on the Steam Forums like you said everyone else is doing.
I know you weren't being personal, sorry if I came off upset. It was merely comical sarcasm at you telling people to "get off your integrated cards and buy some dedicated hardware." Throwing around such a broad generality when I obviously have decent specs, yet are experiencing issues just came off funny to me. With the devs having acknowledged various glitches/bugs, and a decent population size complaining of similar issues, I have to question the the only thing that changed on my system: the update.
Telling me I need to use google and "do research" when I've already explained that I've done everything from testing various drivers, to tweaking the runtime/in game configuration is a good indication that you didn't read my post, and that some how you think I'm your average ignorant computer user; So forgive me if I seem a little terse.
I've posted various reports on those forums already, hopefully my reports will help contribute to getting some of these issues solved for those of us who have them.
In case you're curious I've tried running CS:S with everything on low and I still get some low FPS (40 or so) with some odd stuttering. I thought it might have been an issue with my rates or internet connection but it doesn't look that way. When you say it ran well on your P3, what do you mean? What settings did you use and how many FPS were you getting? I'm just curious, I've got a couple dozen P3s around here :P (used them for an encoding cluster back when I was on a P4)
Telling me I need to use google and "do research" when I've already explained that I've done everything from testing various drivers, to tweaking the runtime/in game configuration is a good indication that you didn't read my post, and that some how you think I'm your average ignorant computer user; So forgive me if I seem a little terse.
I've posted various reports on those forums already, hopefully my reports will help contribute to getting some of these issues solved for those of us who have them.
In case you're curious I've tried running CS:S with everything on low and I still get some low FPS (40 or so) with some odd stuttering. I thought it might have been an issue with my rates or internet connection but it doesn't look that way. When you say it ran well on your P3, what do you mean? What settings did you use and how many FPS were you getting? I'm just curious, I've got a couple dozen P3s around here :P (used them for an encoding cluster back when I was on a P4)
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Well, the update fucked me. On my laptop, that once ran this game @ 100fps (console limited) on 1440x900 res, DX 9, it now runs 30-100fps (very irraticly) with a HUGE amount of lag, as if I'm playing it on a 1994 computer.
I sure hope my PC doesn't get fucked on it.
I sure hope my PC doesn't get fucked on it.
Death
TD Admin
We should start a thread on what to do to fix these type of problems. Bucky ... I was lagging big time ... I had weapon skins loaded for close to a year. When the update came out ... I was lagging crazy. In fact when I would shoot one weapon the game would freeze for 2 - 5 seconds. Two days ago I deleted the local copy of CSS thinking it would delete the skins... it didn't so today I removed all the skins. Started to play late in the day and it runs great now. Delete everything .. and reinstall and see if that helps.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
Well, on my laptop, I can. However on my pc, I'm not doing that without SAVING my local files - that's where I get all the decals, skins etc for map-making.
Anyhoo, I went through the trouble of making this video and putting it on youtube for all to see, so here's what I'm getting on my end:
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**NOTES
- this is my laptop, NOT PC (hopefully PC will be fine)
- No spray at the beginning, even though I sprayed one
- The second I buy shit, it stutters for a second
- Up on top bridge, I'd have 80+ fps, and no one was using my net = so no reason for that shit. Plus, I get that 24/7 now...
Anyhoo, I went through the trouble of making this video and putting it on youtube for all to see, so here's what I'm getting on my end:
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/LnR7cvj-nmY&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/LnR7cvj-nmY&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
**NOTES
- this is my laptop, NOT PC (hopefully PC will be fine)
- No spray at the beginning, even though I sprayed one
- The second I buy shit, it stutters for a second
- Up on top bridge, I'd have 80+ fps, and no one was using my net = so no reason for that shit. Plus, I get that 24/7 now...
For those interested in my particular issues, here's what I've tried so far:
-Revert to various older Nvidia drivers
-Perform general/extended system maintenance
-Verify Game cache integrity
-Auto config
-Tweak autoexec.cfg using various rates and other settings
-Set limit for FPS
-Change run time CPU priority and dedicated heapsize
-Set everything to "low" through the in game audio/video options
-Enable/Disable multicore
-Test individual single core usage
-Various runtime options including "-Threads" modes and "-mat_que_mode"
-Uninstalling/Reinstalling CS:S
-Test RAM for issues
-Test CPU/GPU for potential overheating issues
-Test network connection
-Test router for issues
All of the above changes/tests were done individually first to insure accurate results, with some later tested together for a potential increased effectiveness. The stress test gives me ~50FPS, actual in game FPS ranges between ~20 to ~40FPS; This is despite the various changes I've noticed above. The game should theoretically be 'playable' at 30 FPS, however the FPS I get in game is non-static and seems to rapidly stutter at random intervals. Further more I observed that enabling multicore whilst testing various "thread" and "mat_que_mode" setting yielded negligible FPS changes. I'm not running a lot of background processes, I perform routine maintenance on my machine both physical and software/OS wise. I have not noticed any similar issues with other games/programs recently on my machine.
I just want to be able to run CS:S again
-Revert to various older Nvidia drivers
-Perform general/extended system maintenance
-Verify Game cache integrity
-Auto config
-Tweak autoexec.cfg using various rates and other settings
-Set limit for FPS
-Change run time CPU priority and dedicated heapsize
-Set everything to "low" through the in game audio/video options
-Enable/Disable multicore
-Test individual single core usage
-Various runtime options including "-Threads" modes and "-mat_que_mode"
-Uninstalling/Reinstalling CS:S
-Test RAM for issues
-Test CPU/GPU for potential overheating issues
-Test network connection
-Test router for issues
All of the above changes/tests were done individually first to insure accurate results, with some later tested together for a potential increased effectiveness. The stress test gives me ~50FPS, actual in game FPS ranges between ~20 to ~40FPS; This is despite the various changes I've noticed above. The game should theoretically be 'playable' at 30 FPS, however the FPS I get in game is non-static and seems to rapidly stutter at random intervals. Further more I observed that enabling multicore whilst testing various "thread" and "mat_que_mode" setting yielded negligible FPS changes. I'm not running a lot of background processes, I perform routine maintenance on my machine both physical and software/OS wise. I have not noticed any similar issues with other games/programs recently on my machine.
I just want to be able to run CS:S again
meh, update runs for me just as well as the previous version and i had weapon skins for the longest time which for some reason didn't work on TD for two or three weeks prior to the update and now work again (YEAAA!)
etherealkitten, my setup is pretty similar to yours except that i'm running windows XP. i was also under the impression that core 2 duo only runs on DDR2.
anyway, check your ram speed and try overclocking your cpu. since the main factor in CS performance has always been cpu speed, that should definitely help. i'm running dual core at 3.5ghz atm and it's great
FYI: cock expect your 8800 to fuck up sometime. there's a hardware defect with all (or most?) 8800GTS that makes it artifact and die at random. iirc the GT lineup is immune to the issue but the GTS is fucked for sure. supposedly, baking a fried GTS in the oven fixes the problem. FUNNY SHIT
etherealkitten, my setup is pretty similar to yours except that i'm running windows XP. i was also under the impression that core 2 duo only runs on DDR2.
anyway, check your ram speed and try overclocking your cpu. since the main factor in CS performance has always been cpu speed, that should definitely help. i'm running dual core at 3.5ghz atm and it's great
FYI: cock expect your 8800 to fuck up sometime. there's a hardware defect with all (or most?) 8800GTS that makes it artifact and die at random. iirc the GT lineup is immune to the issue but the GTS is fucked for sure. supposedly, baking a fried GTS in the oven fixes the problem. FUNNY SHIT
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meh, update runs for me just as well as the previous version and i had weapon skins for the longest time which for some reason didn't work on TD for two or three weeks prior to the update and now work again (YEAAA!)
etherealkitten, my setup is pretty similar to yours except that i'm running windows XP. i was also under the impression that core 2 duo only runs on DDR2.
anyway, check your ram speed and try overclocking your cpu. since the main factor in CS performance has always been cpu speed, that should definitely help. i'm running dual core at 3.5ghz atm and it's great
FYI: cock expect your 8800 to fuck up sometime. there's a hardware defect with all (or most?) 8800GTS that makes it artifact and die at random. iirc the GT lineup is immune to the issue but the GTS is fucked for sure. supposedly, baking a fried GTS in the oven fixes the problem. FUNNY SHIT
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It wouldn't matter even if I didn't have a core 2 duo, RAM type support depends on the chipset not the CPU. I decided not to overclock when I first built this box as I didn't believe I had an adequate cooling and being a poor university student I didn't wanna wear out the components for a few extra frames. Even if you can get the game to render at 300+ FPS it wouldn't matter because the LCD refresh rate is limited to begin with :P Besides I have been able to run all games up to current just fine on this set up without overclocking the ram or the CPU. I hate to sound like a dick and keep going on about how it's not my hardware, but as you can see I did spend quite some time testing everything.
meh, update runs for me just as well as the previous version and i had weapon skins for the longest time which for some reason didn't work on TD for two or three weeks prior to the update and now work again (YEAAA!)
etherealkitten, my setup is pretty similar to yours except that i'm running windows XP. i was also under the impression that core 2 duo only runs on DDR2.
anyway, check your ram speed and try overclocking your cpu. since the main factor in CS performance has always been cpu speed, that should definitely help. i'm running dual core at 3.5ghz atm and it's great
FYI: cock expect your 8800 to fuck up sometime. there's a hardware defect with all (or most?) 8800GTS that makes it artifact and die at random. iirc the GT lineup is immune to the issue but the GTS is fucked for sure. supposedly, baking a fried GTS in the oven fixes the problem. FUNNY SHIT
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It wouldn't matter even if I didn't have a core 2 duo, RAM type support depends on the chipset not the CPU. I decided not to overclock when I first built this box as I didn't believe I had an adequate cooling and being a poor university student I didn't wanna wear out the components for a few extra frames. Even if you can get the game to render at 300+ FPS it wouldn't matter because the LCD refresh rate is limited to begin with :P Besides I have been able to run all games up to current just fine on this set up without overclocking the ram or the CPU. I hate to sound like a dick and keep going on about how it's not my hardware, but as you can see I did spend quite some time testing everything.
OG buckshot jr
TD Admin
It's not your hardware, my video proves it. Hopefully they'll patch this release and make multicore actually WORK - because right now, I don't think it's threadng properly at all.
I think they've fucked the regular rendering too because even with multicore disabled and all old settings selected, the game does not run anywhere near how it used to...
I think they've fucked the regular rendering too because even with multicore disabled and all old settings selected, the game does not run anywhere near how it used to...
