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Does gun control work?

Steve

TD Admin | Bacon
In truth there are too many *what if* statements I can make, and you'll just rebut with your perfectly hypothetical situation of being the hero.
Which comes back to my point above, this becomes your perfect hypothetical hero situations vs. my chaotic hypothetical situations.


Please find one post in this thread where I bring up hypothetical situations where having a C&C will magically fix a situation. Because I didn't ever say that. So stop putting words in my mouth.



My point is that people should have the right to C&C if they feel they need it. Of course 90% of Americans want expanded background checks derp. That's common sense. What isn't common sense is the garbage legislation that the liberal lead congress have put up to vote in the last few years.
 

Cock

Cockilicious
Staff member
Please find one post in this thread where I bring up hypothetical situations where having a C&C will magically fix a situation. Because I didn't ever say that. So stop putting words in my mouth.
In my haste to make my point I made it seem like that was only toward you.
It was really for anyone who would think that having a Gun would magically fix a situation, you were just the direct quote.

My point is that people should have the right to C&C if they feel they need it.
I have no issue with this, long as there is proper training, background checks, and, mandatory reporting of lost or stolen firearms.
Not sure where I stand with the finger printing thing seems like a stretch.

What isn't common sense is the garbage legislation that the liberal lead congress have put up to vote in the last few years.

Anything specific? Like part of a bill you don't like?
 

excalibur

DARKLY Regular
I'm not against expanded background checks but where do we draw the line in right to privacy? I don't see anything wrong with the background checks we have now when processed correctly. I believe I posted a stat earlier in this topic about the failures of enforcement of our current system.
Under current laws, if a background check reveals that your name is on the national terrorism watch list, you're still free to walk out of a gun dealership with a firearm in your hands — as long as you don't have a criminal or mental health record.
Data from the Government Accountability Office show that between 2004 and 2010, people on terrorism watch lists tried to buy guns and explosives more than 1,400 times. They succeeded in more than 90 percent of those cases, or 1,321 times.

The other issue is the lack of prosecuting people who lie on their background checks and still are able to buy the firearm. Our biggest problem is not the laws it is enforcing them and funding the enforcement. We spend billions policing other countries and ignore our own. This is not a liberal/conservative difference its a failure by both. Just a little stat


2010: 72,659 denials
34,459 felony convictions/indictments
13,862 fugitives
44 prosecutions (0.06 percent of denials)
2009: 67,324 denials
32,652 felony convictions/indictments
11,341 fugitives
77 prosecutions (0.11 percent)
2008: 70,725 denials
39,526 felony convictions/indictments
9,464 fugitives
105 prosecutions (0.15 percent)
2007: 73,992 denials
23,703 felony convictions/indictments
4,803 fugitives
122 prosecutions (0.16 percent)

2006: 69,930 denials
25,259 felony convictions/indictments
4,235 fugitives
112 prosecutions (0.16 percent)

2005: 66,705 denials
36.8 percent felony convictions/indictments
5.3 percent fugitives
135 prosecutions (0.20 percent)
 

excalibur

DARKLY Regular
I see nothing wrong with having to wait a week for your background check to be completely processed. I don't like impulse buying of guns I personally think people should do a little research on the firearm they are looking to buy, there is no need for anyone to have to go out and HAVE a gun that day. Do a little pre-planning and a wait is no problem.

When it come to gun shows I have never bought a gun or been to one so I do not have an opinion on them because i don't know the workings of those. I do have about 20 unregistered guns, because yes I do not trust the government. My compound bows and crossbows are not registered but I don't believe any state requires a background test for those.

Fingerprinting is something that I tend to be different on. I like the idea of everyone needing to be fingerprinted when they turn 18 as we have to do for selective service. I think it would be a helpful crime deterrent and help police solve cases quicker and more effectively. I had to be fingerprinted in order to do electrical work on a few schools I helped build.
 

$alvador

TD Member
"I do not trust the government" is totally incongruous with "I like the idea of fingerprinting everyone" and "people on terror watch list shouldn't be allowed to own a gun". The latter statements support a guilty-until-proven-innocent mentality prevalent in all countries where civilians are most definitely not allowed guns of any sort. This really makes it sound like you're verging on support of a police state as long as you retain the limited freedom of owning a gun, even if it means surrendering all other freedoms. I remember a highly publicized incident not long ago where actor Mark Ruffalo was put on that terror watch list for speaking out against shale fracking. He shouldn't have a right to own a gun because someone somewhere with power disagrees with him?

I don't understand this dichotomy in American thinking. One one hand they don't trust the government and want guns, but on the other hand anyone who trots out the word terrorist followed by a plausible scenario suddenly is considered a legitimate authority. This Sandy Hook disaster really stood out to me because of how it immediately snowballed into a gun rights debate while dozens of freedoms-eroding bills are codified into law with just a shrug from the public.
 

Steve

TD Admin | Bacon
When it come to gun shows I have never bought a gun or been to one so I do not have an opinion on them because i don't know the workings of those. I do have about 20 unregistered guns, because yes I do not trust the government. My compound bows and crossbows are not registered but I don't believe any state requires a background test for those.

Can't even buy or hunt with crossbows in MN without being a cripple.:feelscry:
 

Brades

Bailer
Staff member
Can't even buy or hunt with crossbows in MN without being a cripple.:feelscry:

Move to Florida. My neighbour down there was sitting on his roof sniping hogs. Northern US states should just fucken merge with Canada. Shit is the same.

Real Americans live in the south.
 

Steve

TD Admin | Bacon
Move to Florida. My neighbour down there was sitting on his roof sniping hogs. Northern US states should just fucken merge with Canada. Shit is the same.

Real Americans live in the south.


Thing is, my state might be filled with fag liberals, but my state is also my favorite geography. Lakes/wood etc, and MN is quite sparsely populated so there is still lots of cheap land to be had all over.



Florida = they execute me when I get caught with a joint.
 

Brades

Bailer
Staff member
Thing is, my state might be filled with fag liberals, but my state is also my favorite geography. Lakes/wood etc, and MN is quite sparsely populated so there is still lots of cheap land to be had all over.



Florida = they execute me when I get caught with a joint.

Snow is for faggots. I see tons of people walking around smoking joints during spring break/biketoberfest/bike week/speedweek
 

excalibur

DARKLY Regular
Can't even buy or hunt with crossbows in MN without being a cripple.:feelscry:

thats how it started here in PA, but it changed about 3 years ago. Crossbow is a lot of fun I can use a better concealed treestand with the crossbow than with my compounds.
 

Barah

A Little Darkly
I think as a community based largely on FPS this is a legitimate topic to discuss.
although let's not get too far into that, as i think at least most of us will agree games don't induce violent behaviour.

so...

there's a huge resistance to any form of gun control in the US.

why?

is this resistance legitimate?

what happens if gun control comes into effect?
VS.
what happens if it doesn't?


there are other countries with strong gun control laws that are still able to function without turning into a chapter from 1984. why should or shouldn't we use these countries as an example?
here's a pretty funny 3 part series that also has some good talking points about that:
(edit: just a note, i'm well aware the video is biased but that doesn't mean the views it states are a write-off, as with any issue there are multiple sides to consider... that is if you're reasonable and have critical thinking skills)]

I'm a little late, but in all honesty gun control wouldn't work. Even if they limited how, when, or where we get weapons, guns would still be in existance. In America the second amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." and it dosn't mean we have a right to guns. It means we have the right to protect ourselves. Sure, people get guns and murder people, but taking them away isn't going to help anything. America dosn't have a gun problem, it has a mental health problem. Giving someone who's homocidal a gun dosn't help, but taking them away dosn't help. Who's to say they wont make something even deadlier, like.. oh I don't know.. a bomb? Shit, they could clear a building just by mixing bleach and amonia. The Government of America just wants to control it's people. That's all there is to it. Taking away guns isn't going to do anything. It's just going to stop us from taking action when they step over the line between right and wrong. America always takes things backwards so the government can gain more control of the people. Yes I understand there's more to it, so don't complain at me for my opinion. I'm just stating the general overview of it.
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