Better call Saul!
do u think mayor on crack?
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Rob Ford lies, and lies some more. Then proceeded to lie and lie again while lying about his lying. Like I've said before, I care more about what he says in the video not what he does, I care about the massive list of lies and half truths he keeps bull shitting.
Go tell your employer you've smoked crack while drunk. Doesn't matter how good a job you're doing or if you promise it will "never happen again, hopefully". I doubt you'll still have a job the next day. **Well if you did this now of course they would laugh at you and think you're joking.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/touch/story.html?id=9128623
He's going to win the sympathy vote. That's right Toronto, Pity the mayor, he was drunk and it's not his fault.
In any case you're all being duped to care more about Rob Ford then what's going on in the Federal government. RCMP is looking into Harpers emails.
Welcome to distraction tactics 101 - Harper prayed for this.
Go tell your employer you've smoked crack while drunk. Doesn't matter how good a job you're doing or if you promise it will "never happen again, hopefully". I doubt you'll still have a job the next day. **Well if you did this now of course they would laugh at you and think you're joking.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/touch/story.html?id=9128623
He's going to win the sympathy vote. That's right Toronto, Pity the mayor, he was drunk and it's not his fault.
In any case you're all being duped to care more about Rob Ford then what's going on in the Federal government. RCMP is looking into Harpers emails.
Welcome to distraction tactics 101 - Harper prayed for this.
Never said they would fire you, you just won't have a job.
Thanatos
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OG buckshot jr
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This. I mentioned this earlier today: "The Rob Ford Saga" is just enough to have people forget that Wynn stole over $1billion on something that was never built, Senators robbed a fuckload of pensions, and Harper might as well be Bush Jr. But Ford's more important.
47
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if u cant beat them, join them.Or better yet, let's discuss how we can become one of those buddies
Ghett0
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Truth. An addiction is a medical illness. Easier to get away with being an alcoholic than being a drug addict, but still. In the eyes of the law, it is an illness, and it's just as illegal as firing someone for having cancer as it is to fire them for confessing to substance abuse (Assuming you consent to seek treatment.)
I agree with a lot of what you say in principle, but it's far more difficult in practice. No one starts smoking looking to get lung cancer. No one has a beer looking to become an alcoholic. It just sort of happens. And once it happens, most addicts really can't accept or realize that they ARE addicts because once they do, then they essentially must declare war against themselves.
What follows is my personal experiences with regards to addiction. It is not for the faint of heart or those with low attention span. I will not answer to or for anything contained therein, nor am I willing to "debate" the contents. It is a statement of facts and personal experiences as I know them, and for these things I make no apologies. You can choose to take it at face value or not to take it at all. If you are not willing to take them at face value, then don't read them. As some of you have already learned, my opinions are not subject to negotiation. They are what they are, regardless of what you think or feel about them. Read at your own peril.
[NSFW] The mind of an addict is a horrible thing. It takes an awful lot of will power to sober up, and even more will power to stay sober. If people had that kind of will power, then more people would be sober and less people would suffer from addiction. If you look around in your society, however, it is engineered not to ASSIST you in staying sober, but to tempt you at every turn. Every hockey game is littered with adverts for booze. As of age 21, most of your social gatherings revolve around booze and other substances.
What differs between the casual user and the addict is a complicated issue that I couldn't possibly explain and neither can most professionals. Some people can drink once in a while and never develop a drinking problem. Some people can do a bump on the weekend at the bar and never touch cocaine again. Other people try these things once or twice and fall into a cascade of substance abuse that a large number of them will never admit to or recognize, even when the reality of it is staring them straight in the face.
I've been to more than a few AA meetings in my time. Every addict is different, but every addict is the same. Dedicating yourself to a life of sobriety is one of the most difficult things anyone can ever undertake. The mind of the addict will do everything in it's power to fool itself into justifying a return to the use and abuse of substances. It's is a cruel mental illness that is far more powerful than most people can imagine. Even the strongest, most devout and sober people I have ever met have fallen off the wagon more than once, and are cautious never to make broad declarations that they will "never use again" because they know that is the first step towards relapse; usually because they learned it the hard way. I know I have.
To say that people in public positions should not have substance abuse problems is naive. The statistics say that there are significant demographics in ALL fields, from politics to law to medicine, of people with substance abuse issues. Some of them seek treatment, and achieve prolonged periods of sobriety. Most do not. Some become better at their jobs after a prolonged period of sobriety. Some do not. The transition from using to sober, however, is almost always a highly chaotic and difficult period that brings out the ugliest in nearly everyone who attempts it.
It's not as black and white of an issue as we would like it to be. Believe me, no one wishes it was as simple as "I'm never gonna drink / use again" as the addict. But, if you are an addict, and you do decide to give sobriety a whirl, the first thing that you notice is how quickly those who continue to use and abuse substances turn on you, take advantage of you and stab you in the back for fear that your sobriety somehow threatens them. After all, if you admit that you are an addict, does that mean that THEY are also addicts?
The first instinct of the addict when they are faced with the truth of their own addiction is to run; usually deeper into their substance of choice because substance abuse is, by it's very nature, an act of escape from the realities of life. In my opinion as an addict who has achieved, and lost, periods of sobriety on more than one occasion, Rob Ford is saying what he has to to keep on going, but I have no illusions about the fact that he is an addict and that he will almost certainly continue to use.
Look at him. Mother fucker is like 300 lbs. Does he look like will power and restraint are habits of his, or traits he has in excess? We are defined by our actions, not our words. Regardless of what he says, Rob Ford is a slave to his passions, not the master of them. Like most addicts, he will say absolutely ANYTHING he has to to keep the party rolling because he is a far greater danger, both to others and to himself, sober than he is using, regardless of his dosage.
Rob Ford has to make a choice; either he can clean up his life or he can keep being mayor. Nothing he has said or done leads me to believe he is willing to make the sacrifices necessary to clean up his life, and if he did, he would be a fuckin disaster while he tried. His addictions have waged war against him, and they have won. He is so deep in denial that he would have to swim for a week and a half to even come close to seeing the surface, let alone accepting the truth.
His confession is not a genuine act of contrition. It is an attempt to buy time (And as such, to justify another fix) by telling people what they want to hear (one of the many key features of the addicted mind; a willingness to say whatever it takes to justify and rationalize continued use and abuse of substances.) To Rationalize is to tell yourself Rational Lies that will enable you to "talk yourself into" the belief that you are helping yourself or others by using.
Due to that, it is the commonly held belief that addiction is an acute form of insanity to which there is no cure. It is easy to say "This guy is an addict and that makes him a horrible <insert label here>" and in many ways, these statements are often true. But even if the addict refrains from using for a day, a week, a month, a year, or even decades, the insanity will always remain, because there will always be a part of their mind that will urge them towards using again whenever and wherever it can.
Addicts are left with a terrible choice; the continue to rationalize their use and to use substances to which they are addicted or to brave the full brunt of the insanity that is their addiction every minute of every day for the rest of their lives, where a moment's weakness will eradicate all that they fight and struggle to achieve.
Do you have what it takes to make that kind of commitment and sacrifice?
Do I?
Do any of us?
I can tell you from experience, most people don't, and even those who do are defined not by their success, but by their failures. So while it's easy to say "He's an addict and addicts shouldn't be mayor" where does it end? Addicts shouldn't be parents, they shouldn't be police, they shouldn't be doctors, they shouldn't be lawyers, they shouldn't be anything because we don't want to have to rely on them. But WE'RE not addicts, no no no. This judgmental pendulum is fine when applied to others, but never when applied to ourselves.
I am of the belief that if I am not willing to apply a standard to myself, then I refuse to apply it to others. Therefore, I reject the temptation to judge Rob Ford and demand anything of him.
And yet, addicts are everywhere, most of them lying to themselves and to you/us about the truth of their addiction because they don't want to see people point the finger at them and say "You are an addict, and as a result, you can no longer be <x>" where X is equal to damn near anything anyone who is not an admitted addict attempting to live a sober life wishes to define.
If living sober was easy, everyone would do it. It is not, and though I pity Rob Ford just like I pity most addicts, he has his own choices to make and his own sacrifices to choose. After all, what is so much different between him and every other addict out there?
Fundamentally, the major difference is only the publicity with which his addiction has received. This makes going clean even more difficult for him to achieve because it puts a lot of external pressure on him to be sober, and no one achieves any extended sobriety if it is forced on them. Until Rob Ford is willing to accept the fact that he is an addict fully and without reservation, he will always be an addict and he will always be controlled by his addictions.
He won't achieve that while he is mayor, but if he loses everything that he cares about, then what is the point of being sober?
This is the fundamental struggle that every addict faces, and most of them, being unwilling to make that admission and the sacrifices it demands, never achieve sobriety and spend their lives in the grips of addiction, oscillating from maintenance dosage to serious indulgence, then suffering and the lashing out and anyone (including themselves, because most suffering is internalized because lashing out brings guilt, which brings more jones, which brings more indulgence, and thus more suffering, so it solves nothing and ruins everything) who forces them to admit or confront the truth of their own addiction.
In essence, the more people try to throw this in his face, the more horrible his insanity will become. That's a cruelty that few people could possibly understand unless they know what it is to be hopelessly addicted and to have admitted to it, at the very least to themselves and accepted it for what it is. I see where anyone looking from the outside in are coming from, and I can understand why you wouldn't want to have an addict for a mayor, an associate, or a friend, but addiction is a unique illness in that it is the only one that people will ALWAYS hold against you, regardless of how sincerely you wish to be cured of it.
People don't say "GOD DAMN YOU ROB FORD, YOU CANCER VICTIM!"
They don't say "YOU'RE A PIECE OF SHIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE LUPUS!"
But there is an infinite amount of shame, scorn and disrespect that comes in saying "You're a piece of shit because you're an addict."
"You're a fucking tool because you're a drunk."
And damn near everyone will judge you for admitting you are an addict, but until you CAN admit that you are an addict, you will never have a hope in hell of achieving sobriety for any extended length of time.
Do you think that makes it easier for them to stay sober?
You might as well starve someone for 2 weeks, put them in a room full of food and tell them not to eat.
The irony is, addicts who accept their illness for what it is learn to do just that.
In sobriety, there is a strength of will and spirit that dwarfs anything that you could possibly conceive of until you have felt it and lived it. Most of the people whom you most admire are likely addicts who have achieved sobriety. I assure you, once you can starve for years of that which you most desire, sit in a room full of it and have all your best friends offer you some and you can, despite external and internal pressure and duress say "No thank you", you have achieved a level of personal strength and will power that no one can take away from you.
Addiction is both a curse and a blessing. It is a curse if you succumb to it, but if you learn to master your own addictive urges and successfully resist them, you achieve a level of personal potential that is nearly limitless.
I can assure you that there are multiple people in your lives whom your count on and admire who are addicts who have achieved sobriety, but they must live in the closet because they know that the second you realize they are addicts, you will never look at them with the same element of admiration and respect again, even though this is largely due to your own ignorance of the realities of addiction.
It is a horrible, horrible disease and it plagues far more people than most of us know or realize. I don't make excuses for addicts out there, because the most healthy thing for any addict to do is to accept responsibility for their own actions, but I won't judge an addict either, either for being sober or for using. Not everyone has the strength to wage a war against 99.9% of their community, including themselves. Fewer still who do have that courage find even the tiniest of victories in their battle. Those who do succeed, however, are a force to be reckoned with. Ironically enough, they are often the most grateful, humble, and generous people you will ever meet. All this from conquering addiction.
Keep that in mind when you look at an addict and say "What a piece of shit." Today, maybe. That addict, however, if they find it in themselves to dedicate themselves to sobriety, has the potential to become stronger than you could ever dream to be. It is hypocritical to spit on them while they suffer, and yet admire them and hang off their nuts when they thrive. Another great contradiction of sobriety is that people admire and envy your strength, so they flock to you hoping it will rub off on them somehow. They offer you gifts and offerings to show their respect.... usually in the form of booze and substances which you have forsaken. Some of them get offended by this, fulfilling on of today's great hypocrisies. Everyone wants the lollipop from the doctor, but no one wants the needle.
Or, as Peter Tosh once said
"Everyone wants to go up to heaven
But none of them want to die."
Rob Ford is living in his own personal hell right now. He has the option of living a better life, but the only person who can give him that better life isRob Ford. Until then, he's just another fat pig making a mess of himself while everyone jeers in scorn. I pity him, but at the same time, I sincerely hope he has the testicular fortitude to get help and learn to live a life that is worth living rather than just being a whipping post for his critics. [/NSFW]
Rob Ford has to answer to his own conscience for his addiction. He has to answer to the city of Toronto and the Canadian public for his capacities as mayor, and nothing besides. That's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but it's not going to change for you or anyone else.
Leroy
2012 Troll of the Year
tl;dr
He's a blight to our canadian society. He's shameful. In the private sector, he would be given "treatment", but then shown the door. period.
Regardless of his political leanings, he's garbage, and if he had half a backbone, he would step down. Abysmal performance for someone given the chance.
He's a blight to our canadian society. He's shameful. In the private sector, he would be given "treatment", but then shown the door. period.
Regardless of his political leanings, he's garbage, and if he had half a backbone, he would step down. Abysmal performance for someone given the chance.
Ghett0
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I told ya to read at your own peril. Not my fault if y'all don't listen. :PWTF was that MASSIVE wall of text?
Ghetto doesn't know how to forum. Holy fuck.
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i read it, it's well writen and personal
but TL: DR version is that Ford is a bad guy and can't be trusted, but the only power any of us have is our 1 votes to get him out of office.
the last part i don't agree with... but yeah.
but TL: DR version is that Ford is a bad guy and can't be trusted, but the only power any of us have is our 1 votes to get him out of office.
the last part i don't agree with... but yeah.
You're a faggot, though. And Ghetto has you on his ignore list.
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great success! 
OG buckshot jr
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dunning-krugor, bro....
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hey now, i know i can get ahead of myself at times, but i try to reel it back now and then 
and i respect many of you... except maybe iCe, he makes me want to murder things.
and i respect many of you... except maybe iCe, he makes me want to murder things.