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do u think mayor on crack?

Do you think the mayor is smoking crack?

  • yes, explains everything

    Votes: 19 73.1%
  • no, he be mayor and shit

    Votes: 7 26.9%

  • Total voters
    26

OG buckshot jr

TD Admin
And if you look at the States, they handle their problems
Now I don't want you to take offense to this, because I mean no personal harm - but this right here tells me outright that you're just not educated at all in the matter. This convo is useless to me, now, really...

If Ford kept his private life private I'd have no problem, but the guy does so publicly and that's the issue.
So you really don't get that the guy wakes up in the morning, and idiots from the publicly-funded (don't you just love your hard-earned tax-dollars at work?) journalists from CBC and the shitty tabloid called Toronto Star are already on his driveway? I dunno about you, but if I saw people on my driveway with cameras, I'd call the police and have them charged with tresspassing. Too bad he can't do that eh?
 

Fork Included

TD Admin
Because you're not a public figure and role model, he is supposed to be.

Meh, i don't buy that. His job is to govern the city, not represent it. People seemed to attribute the latter on their own, as justification for their frustration with his behaviour.

Have you ever met the mayor? Do you think you will? Would you care if you do? Does it actually matter to you or are you just echoing mass media?
 

Thanatos

TD Member
Now I don't want you to take offense to this, because I mean no personal harm - but this right here tells me outright that you're just not educated at all in the matter. This convo is useless to me, now, really...

All I read there was "I disagree with your opinion and I'm going to say I win na na na na boo boo instead of discussing facts". It's really not hard to Wikipedia to verify what I said was true. You've yet to present any facts, solely an opinion, which you're entitled to and I respect that but at least come out and just say so instead of trying to dismiss truths because you don't like them.

And no, I don't love how the CBC is all up in his business and the Star can lick my nuts (Sunshine girls ftw) but have you asked yourself why they're there in the first place? They're there all up in his business because he made his personal life public. If there was no story there they'd be harassing someone else. There are countless articles of his drunken endeavors in multiple news sources. You're saying every last one of them is a lie? Or you're saying you don't give a fuck that the mayor in all likelyhood has a substance abuse problem.

Youth are impressionable, we have to hold our role models to higher standards or we end up exactly like the Americans. One thing Canada is so good at is just shrugging things off instead of dealing with issues. Don't even get me started on ISPs, cell phone providers, gas companies...
 

OG buckshot jr

TD Admin
All I read there was "I disagree with your opinion and I'm going to say I win na na na na boo boo instead of discussing facts". It's really not hard to Wikipedia to verify what I said was true.
I suggest you re-read my posts. Particularily the parts about where I outline comparative facts between Ford and American politicians, the part where I speak of media burrowing into his daily life etc. Those are not my opinion, they actually happened.

And wikipedia... my original comment about your education stands.

EDIT: I'll answer your legitimate question: Am I saying every news article about him drinking is a lie?

- No, I don't. But I'm smart enough to realize that 90% of them shouldn't even be news. Isn't it a funny how one woman who claimed he grabbed her ass during a photo-op is suddenly shooting for his job? Hmmmm, sounds like someone's using the very one-sided laws regarding people of male and female gender to further herself. :youdontsay: This is the type of shit that doesn't surprise people like me, who are educated and who can read between lines. The media (some outlets, not all) wants him out, and I'm sure there's others who are conspiring. They'll chase the shit until the bitter end. And yet, Ford remains the focus while Wynn the cunt ran off with over $1Billion for something that wasn't built. But that's ok, right? (rhetorical question to all, I'm not scolding you).
 

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TD Admin
Youth are impressionable, we have to hold our role models to higher standards or we end up exactly like the Americans. One thing Canada is so good at is just shrugging things off instead of dealing with issues. Don't even get me started on ISPs, cell phone providers, gas companies...

growing up under Mel Lastman i can tell you that i only remember two things about him, his short and jew-looking demeanor and his shitty ass furniture store.

again i question your notion that our mayor is a rolemodel to anyone, i think people made that shit up. In fact, having lived in Canada since 91', i can only name THREE MAYORS, two of toronto and one of misssissauga, and i can't even spell the mississauga one right without going to google.
 

Thanatos

TD Member
Meh, i don't buy that. His job is to govern the city, not represent it. People seemed to attribute the latter on their own, as justification for their frustration with his behaviour.

Have you ever met the mayor? Do you think you will? Would you care if you do? Does it actually matter to you or are you just echoing mass media?

Yeah, I'd have liked to have met the mayor, I just moved out of the GTA for work and this does (did?) matter to me.
 

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TD Admin
Yeah, I'd have liked to have met the mayor, I just moved out of the GTA for work and this does (did?) matter to me.

no troll,

can you explain why it matters to you?

do value the image of your mayor more than the economic policies being (attempted) put into place to ensure that you have a somewhat functioning city to live in?
 

Thanatos

TD Member
Of course you can only name one from Mississauga, she's been mayor since before the dinosaurs went extinct. Maybe it's because I have a different view of a mayor then you guys, I grew up in a city with a population of 16,500 so the mayor was around a lot as compared to a city of 2.5 million.
 

OG buckshot jr

TD Admin
Of course you can only name one from Mississauga, she's been mayor since before the dinosaurs went extinct.
LOL Troof, well said.

Ya, maybe your small-town upbringing (vs people like me, melting away in a big city) is what makes our opinions differ... good call.
 

Fork Included

TD Admin
funny comment from my co-worker, an older Argentinean lady

"ohh i don't understand why everyone is so excited about this. Ours is just one guy, back home in Argentina everyone is like this all the time so i don't see the big deal"

haha
 

OG buckshot jr

TD Admin
“Have I tried it? Probably in one of my drunken stupors, probably approximately about a year ago.” - his attempt of pussyfooting?

I think he's got no choice at the moment. He's been overwhelmed...
 

Fork Included

TD Admin
Trudeu admits to smoking pot and everyone gives him a pass

Ford finally admits to smoking crack and we're supposed to crucify him for that? Meh, i can see him weathering through this.
 

OG buckshot jr

TD Admin
Trudeu admits to smoking pot and everyone gives him a pass

Ford finally admits to smoking crack and we're supposed to crucify him for that? Meh, i can see him weathering through this.
That and there's zero proof. There never will be proof, it will remain hidden (non-existent).
 

Ghett0

DARKLY Regular
I dunno if I buy the role model argument. Like Charles Barkley said "I am not a role model."

If a kid wants to have a crack addict for a role model, does it matter who the crack addict is? If it's not Rob Ford, it'll be some other rock fiend. You can't bubble wrap the world to protect children and the impressionable. It's their parents job to teach them what is right and wrong, and regardless of how well you raise your kids, they are going to make up their own minds (especially now that you're not allowed to whoop your kids ass if they get out of line)

As far as it being public, I don't think it's fair to apply double standards to public figures, but I've made that argument already and don't need to repeat it.

You are all entitled to your opinion, but at the end of the day, you have a right to express your opinion with your vote. If you don't like the guy, don't vote for him. Your arguments for or against any politician, no matter how ignorant or educated, rational or irrational, do not change your value in the democratic process. One person, one vote.

Art Spander once said "Democracy is great in that it allows everyone the chance to do something stupid."

Someone else (I forget the name) further stated "Democracy is by far the worst form of government.... except, of course, for every other form of government we've tried."

The obvious flaw to the democratic system is that people are not equally informed OR educated. One can argue that the masses will rarely make the most "educated" or "Logical" choice. It's hard to choose a good word without implying that one decision is better than the next because that is a matter of opinion, and opinions are something that we are all entitled to. The great irony is that we choose our leaders based on popular opinion, and history has taught us that popular opinions are often ignorant and quick to become obsolete.

Slavery, the subjugation of women and the concept that they were both inferior and simply chattel or property are all "popular opinions" of the recent past which we have since rejected. The foundations of North American democracy and the concept of "Freedom of speech" is designed to protect the expression of the UNPOPULAR opinion, because it is only through the expression of unpopular opinions that we can motivate change. Usually, that change tends to be positive growth, but not always.

Despite the flaws that exist in a system which allows governance through election by popular opinion, that's the boat we're in. If it's not good enough for you, you'er welcome to move to Mogadishu or DurkaDurkistan and see if you have a better life there. Our system clearly isn't perfect, but it's better than the shit we left behind in the old world. If you don't feel that way, that's your right, but it's not going to get better any time soon. All systems will have flaws, just as all people have flaws, political leaders included.

We all owe it to ourselves to find the leader and the system who's flaws we can live with and do just that; live with them. For better or for worse.

If you don't like Rob Ford, I'm sure it sucks, but the only choices you have in that scenario are to not vote for him or to move. One person, one vote. Don't like it?

:getout:

They aren't gonna change it for you or for me any time soon. Not with 'Murica bombing the fuck out of anyone who doesn't stand for "Freedom and democracy".
 
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