Democrats add gay marriage to party platform

[Tarin]

I figured this was as good of a time to post this as any, related to iCe's “Equality” thread. It's no longer really an issue in Canada, but it is a big one in the US.

With the Democratic National Convention coming to a close, one of the most important achievements, to me, was the Tuesday, 4 September addition of gay marriage to the party platform, a big step forward for equality in the US. This comes in the wake of President Obama endorsing gay marriage and rising public approval, now over 50% by most polls.

While there is a lot of opposition to gay marriage, there is no real legal reason. The word marriage has, in the past, signified a religious ceremony where a man and a woman are joined in the presence of their god. Today, marriage retains that meaning for many people, but it also holds legal significance. A marriage license is a legal contract, the signing of which is overseen by a religious official, a judge, a retired judge, Justice of the Peace or, in some locations, other licensed public officials. Witnesses are required to sign the license in order to validate it.

Same-sex rights are protected under the Fourteenth Amendment. It invalidates DOMA, since it abridges the rights of certain citizens to sign a legal contract.

Amendment 14, Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Hopefully, within the next few years gay marriage is legalized in the United States, it really bugs me I cannot get married.

Remember, this is the serious forum. Don't attack people, don't simply post jokes, be polite.

 

[Fork Included]

you're trying to use logic vs religion

ain't gonna fly

 

[Tarin]

you're trying to use logic vs religion

ain't gonna fly

It worked for blacks, it worked for women, it will work for us.

 

[iCe]

This is not a troll and I will be "respectful" to a point.

First of all :
mar·riage

   [mar-ij] Show IPA
noun
1.
a.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.

Second.

Marriage derived from religion. If religions don't allow it well then its not marriage. No one is saying you can't have a partner, they are saying no to marriage.

 

[iCe]

Also democrats are using it for votes, make no mistake. I gaurantee you that 60% of them don't agree.

 

[Fork Included]

so if the dictionary said "between two people" instead of "man and woman" you'd be okay with it?

 

[iCe]

Nope

 

[Tarin]

This is not a troll and I will be "respectful" to a point.

First of all :
mar·riage

   [mar-ij] Show IPA
noun
1.
a.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.

Second.

Marriage derived from religion. If religions don't allow it well then its not marriage. No one is saying you can't have a partner, they are saying no to marriage.

Sweet, you can quote a dictionary, because a dictionary is the moral compass by which all life must live. Words change, are created and lost every day. Every edition of the dictionary has new words, new definitions, new meaning. Take the word "gay" itself, for example. It used to mean happy, cheerful, blithe, but now it is:

gay /gā/ Adjective: (of a person, esp. a man) Homosexual.

Marriage started as a religious ceremony, but the minute the government stepped in it became a legal contract. Religion has no place in government, therefore religious meaning no longer applies to a marriage contract.

 

[iCe]

"moral compass by which all life must live."

Please tell me where I can find this. Or did someone else write it just as someone wrote the dictionary.

Marriage is a religious ceramony. Are you religious ?

 

[Tarin]

"moral compass by which all life must live."

Please tell me where I can find this. Or did someone else write it just as someone wrote the dictionary.

Marriage is a religious ceramony. Are you religious ?

I was being facetious because you quoted it as the end-all be-all of the argument, which it obviously is not.

A marriage license is a legal contract, whether it is performed at a church or city hall. Please give me one reason that two adults should not be allowed to sign a legal contract.

So, if marriage is so religious, why are my atheist friends married? Why are my parents married?

 

[iCe]

I was being facetious because you quoted it as the end-all be-all of the argument, which it obviously is not.

A marriage license is a legal contract, whether it is performed at a church or city hall. Please give me one reason that two adults should not be allowed to sign a legal contract.

So, if marriage is so religious, why are my atheist friends married? Why are my parents married?

I will give you your benefits that you're entitled too (health/deceased/ect...), but dont call it marriage b/c its a partnership. Not saying two adults cannot get married, I'm saying same sex.

In the words of the late great biggie smalls "Money and blood dont mix, like two dicks with no chick".

 

[Steve]

Funny thing is iCe isn't even wrong. Its not just republicans that aren't down with gay-marriage.

In May 2011 the Minnesota legislature adopted a constitutional amendment that would ban recognition of same-sex marriage in the state. Voters will decide on this amendment on the November 2012 ballot.

Currently same sex marriage is banned by statute but they don't even want to recognize other states civil unions.


All this coming from a democratic state that has gone to Obama,Kerry,Gore,Clinton,Clinton,Dukakis in the last twenty years.

Don't be fooled. Obama doesn't care about your shit, he just wants your easy vote.

 

[Fork Included]

Nope

then why are you quoting the dictionary?

 

[Tarin]

I will give you your benefits that you're entitled too (health/deceased/ect...), but dont call it marriage b/c its a partnership. Not saying two adults cannot get married, I'm saying same sex.

In the words of the late great biggie smalls "Money and blood dont mix, like two dicks with no chick".

So we get a drinking fountain, as long as you don't have to use that drinking fountain, too. Separate is never equal.

You are exactly saying two adults cannot get married. That is exactly what you are saying. "These two adults cannot get married because of their sex."

In the words of a great orator that puts Biggie Smalls to shame:

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

 

[Tarin]

Funny thing is iCe isn't even wrong. Its not just republicans that aren't down with gay-marriage.


Currently same sex marriage is banned by statute but they don't even want to recognize other states civil unions.


All this coming from a democratic state that has gone to Obama,Kerry,Gore,Clinton,Clinton,Dukakis in the last twenty years.

Don't be fooled. Obama doesn't care about your shit, he just wants your easy vote.

It's progress, not the ultimate solution.

 

[Steve]

Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it. - A better man than MLK Jr.

Are you a man or are you a pussy liberal bitch? Stop asking the government for "your rights" either take them or stfu.

 

[iCe]

Seriously now explain how we are equal. Do you live in the US?

We will never be equal. There is always someone that works harder than another. Why should you get the same shit they get? FACT- You dont deserve the same things as the person next to you. I am no saint. I do not deserve anything from this country. I pay my taxes in order to live here. Only people that deserve shit are the people in the military.

Also thats another thing gays-straights equal. If I was in military why do I have to shower with gay, but can not with women?

 

[Tarin]

Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it. - A better man than MLK Jr.

Are you a man or are you a pussy liberal bitch? Stop asking the government for "your rights" either take them or stfu.

Cool, how does one do that?

Malcom X greater than Dr. Martin Luther King Jr? That's debatable.

 

[iCe]

Its also debatable that MLK is better that B.I.G. both men changed a generation.

 

[Fork Included]

Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it. - A better man than MLK Jr.

Are you a man or are you a pussy liberal bitch? Stop asking the government for "your rights" either take them or stfu.

What have you ever fought for, white man.


Why should people resort to violence for their rights in the 21st century. The whole point of civilized governments is to reach a consensus using peaceful means.