CAW Bullshit

[omission]

My wife is a registered professional nurse for 29 years. Her wage is $40.00/HR. She has a university degree and a greater level of skills then any caw worker. The union says it will not cut wages and benefits to $57.00/HR. Who in the hell do these people think they are, F@#King premier of Ontario! I am mad as hell at the union workers for not accepting $57.00/HR. They deserved $0.00/HR.

 

[Fork Included]

cost of labor is not to be confused with take home wages

your wife may get 40 dollar an hour, but how much does the company spend on top of that to pay for all of her benefits?

 

[omission]

Don't know,good question. Look at it some more. Thanxs

 

[Fork Included]

what is at stake for the CAW is alot of the benefits and special treatment provisions that have been negotiated into labour contracts for the last 40 years or whatever

like take maternity leave, by law a woman can take up to 17 weeks off and still have a position available to her upon her return.

and by law, a company is not responsible to pay for any of that time off.

but i'm sure that the CAW some time ago negotiated a deal where they do get paid, and can take a much longer leave. This cost has to be absorbed by everyone else (cost of labour)

extended benefits, i just did the numbers real quick, my company spends 2.95 per hour for our 11 employees to have the benefits that we have, and they are very basic ones with pretty low allowances

i'm quite certain the CAW has a very serious benefits package for its workforce

special time off, social security provisions in addition to existing ones, etc, etc, etc.

the CAW at this point has to throw away almost everything they worked for for the last three or four decades so they can compete with the NON UNIONIZED workforce of Toyota and Honda.

Chrysler NEEDS THE MONEY, or they will close their doors, the CAW cannot by virtue decrease their cost of labour, well, they can, but that would be TOTAL DEFEAT, so the CAW is giving Chrysler the finger and telling them "find other places to cut money, we are not budging"

i say let them burn, we dont need shitty cars rollin on the streets.

 

[Remy]

This thread can go on for ages.

But then again they should be cutting wages. I was listening to the guy who runs the CAW union and he was going on about how cutting wages will have no effect on the big 3. Seeing how they pay so much to these workers and that expense goes ontop of the price of the car, would cutting wages not cheapen their vehicles and making it a bit more competitive against the foreign car makers?

The CAW has way way too much power and needs to taken down. the amount of money they get from benifits and pension plans is retarded, this is making the big three sink deeper and deeper into debt.

Fork we cant let them burn because that would kill our economy faster then the recession. The amount of jobs, not only by the big 3 but also companies like Magna and lear that provide parts would be down and out making the unemployment rate skyrocket.

So far i think its a loose loose situation for everyone.

 

[Fork Included]

if we let them burn chrysler will pull out, but the plants will still be there

other manufactureres will move in and create work space, people will still want cars.

the job loss will be temporary, it will definetly be felt across north america, but in 2-3 years things will be looking bright again.

i dont have to tell anyone here (i hope) about how our lives have been on life support as students (some continue as such)

these fat cat autoworkers with barely any education deserve a wake up call, while they support families of 3 on their single salaries, young people with brilliant ideas are struggling in coffee shops waiting for their big break.

i spent so much time worrying about money while in school i forgot to learn! (which is why i'm going back and probably will quit my job)

it needs to be done, chrysler/gm/ford have been making shitty vehicles (in comparison to their competition) for too many years, time for a change.

 

[Propaganda]

General rule of thumb in the business world is 15% of wages to cover benefits and other incidental expenses.

 

[Fork Included]

you seriously think the CAW falls under the general category?

 

[dead mike]

give all these unemployed guys a job building highways, or some other big infrastructure project, maybe we can get them to put up fibre to the home? toronto for one, is in need of having a huge portion of its sewer system replaced. theres lots of work to be done, and labour is about to get really cheap, as if it wasent already...

anyhow its absurd, there was this retarded guy on my hockey team (ashl d league) who was getting $35 an hour to hammer in windshields in two spots after a robot already put them in. wtf is that shit, my brother an experienced electrician (not yet a journeyman tho) isint going to get that for years. and me fuck, if i could get 35 an hour i'd be willing to do some pretty immoral shit. j/k

 

[DrUgZ]

Fork if they pull out the plants will definitely NOT be there. they wont sell the buildings, no way in hell. I've done demo on 4 auto plants over the past 8 years and they gut the motherfuckers and sell everything for scrap. there is just some concrete and a massive open lot that sits there for decades because of the contamination from industrial waste that has spoiled the ground so it cant be developed on.

For one, the CAW is not in trouble because of the wages or anything like that, the CAW makes more than enough money to keep themselves afloat, its the UAW thats fucked. mainly because of the fact that 1 worker supports 4 retirees because they dont have health care in the US. OBAMA is the one who is pressuring the plants to stick the knife deep into the CAW and gouge our wages and benefits packages because it will generate more income for the companies, which will help them out in the US.

I really think that they make too much money and I know that most of the workers there dont deserve 40 bucks an hour. only the Skilled trades would maybe deserve these wages because they have some sort of skills, unlike the line monkeys. but sadly most of the trades arent worth a fuck because they got off the line due to seniority and they go hide all fucking day and dont do jack shit.

I've worked in almost all of the auto plants from Windsor to Oshawa and the toyota plants have it right. the workers still make decent money, have good benefits, but they aren't "safe" if they fuck up, or dont do their jobs properly. to my understanding they do have a union, but its their own union, not the CAW. Unions arent the problem and i and a union worker and will support union workers / products, but i have to agree that the CAW and UAW need to check themselves before they are their own undoing.

I have no solution to the problems but hopefully someone does because if our economy loses 200,000 people making 80-100 grand per year and the 7.5 spinoff incomes that each worker makes from suppliers and whatnot, we are FUCKED!

 

[Remy]

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we are FUCKED!
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+100

 

[Steve]

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and me fuck, if i could get 35 an hour i'd be willing to do some pretty immoral shit. j/k
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Fuck yeah, I would do a ton of immoral shit for $35/hour.

 

[Steve]

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i spent so much time worrying about money while in school i forgot to learn! (which is why i'm going back and probably will quit my job)


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Which is why I thank god(okay not really, he isn't real) every day that my Grandfather invested $50,000(worth more then enough to pay for my 4 years of college now) when I was born to help me pay for college. Thank goodness for being born into a family that values education so highly. Most of my friends although they are in well off families, are already 50,000+ in debt after only two years of college... christ they'll be paying off loans until they are atleast 30!

I truely lucked out.

 

[Foolio]

Yup, paying off loans now. Suckssss

 

[Propaganda]

$35 is ok but isn't that much money when you consider a 3 bedroom house these days will cost you $400000-$500000 for something decent in Alberta anyway.

 

[Steve]

Ehh its a lot compared to the big $8.50 I make as a delivery right now.

 

[Remy]

8.25 scratching my balls at my fitness centre

 

[Brains]

fuck i just want to make $150,000+/year in the next few years